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Capper Or Jones Stone Mason, Hope St

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gingerninja

knowlegable brummie
HI am searching to find if a William Capper/Jones owned a Monumental Stone Mason Yards in Hope Street from the late 1800's to early 1900's, he also had a son George whom possible carried on the trade.

Any information would be very welcome.

Thanks

gingerninja
 
Cannot find any mason (either “stone & marble” or “monumental” in Hope st in 1890, 1895, 1900 or 1908 .
There is a William Capper in 1890 , millwright at back of 39 Unett St and in 1900 there is a William George Jones, stone mason, at 16 Union St, Smethwick
M ike
 
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William Capper changed the family name to his De facto wifes name Jones around 1891, he also traded under his sons name George Jones who was originaly a Capper Before William changed it.
Hope this helps . I have been trying to locate any stonemason businesses bearing the name Capper or Jones, but so far I have had no luck.

Regards cappdn
 
May be way off beam here , but could this be the family in 1891? Claybrook St Was not too far from Hope St
Place: Birmingham -Warwickshire
Civil Parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical Parish: St David
Address: 13 Claybrook St

Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born
JONES William Head M M 48 Stone Mason(Notem) Gloucestershire - Cheltenham
JONES Sarah Wife M F 42 Jeweller Assistant(Em'ee) Pembrokeshire - Milford
JONES Eliza Dau S F 21 Jeweller Assistant(Em'ee) Gloucestershire - Cheltenham
JONES Emma Dau - F 16 Norfolk - -
JONES Lily Dau - F 14 Jeweller Assistant(Em'ee) Norfolk - -
JONES Rose Dau - F 13 Safety Pin Assistant(Em'ee) Norfolk - Lachanstone
JONES May Dau - F 7 Scholar Gloucestershire - Cheltenham
JONES George Son - M 5 Scholar Gloucestershire - Cheltenham
JONES Frederick Son - M 3 Gloucestershire - Cheltenham
JONES Daisy Dau - F 1 Gloucestershire - Cheltenham

Also in the the same area was this chap and his family... there was no son George though.

Place: Birmingham -Warwickshire
Civil Parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical Parish: St. Asaph
Address: 2 Bk 13 Sun St West

Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born
JONES William Head M M 37 Stone Breaker Lab'r(Em'ee) Warwickshire - Birmingham
 
hi pomgolian.
No you are not off beam you are spot on, this must have been where they lived after arriving in Brum. I think the reason he changed the name to his wifes was to avoid any tittle tattle, his name being Capper and his De facto Jones. He was probably forced out off Cheltenham because of all the gossip about them living together. Pity they could not have lived in this era, nobody realy cares what your marital status is. Thanks for this information it has realy helped.

Regards.

cappdn. " Dennis Capper" Sarahs Great Grand son, now living in Australia.
 
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Dennis do you have this?
The Capper family in 1881
Census PlaceLeckhampton, Gloucester, England
Dwelling Upper Norwood St Ivey Cottage

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation
William CAPPER Head W Male 45 Cheltenham, Gloucester, England Mason
Charles CAPPER Son U Male 19 Bristol Labourer
Eliza CAPPER Daur U Female 11 Cheltenham, Gloucester, England Scholar
Edith CAPPER Daur U Female 9 Weston, Hereford, England Scholar
Rose CAPPER Daur U Female 3 Cheltenham, Gloucester, England

Looks like William told porkies on the 1891 Cen' about his age LOL.... Or it could have just been a miss transcription...
 
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Here is sarah's family 1881..
Census Place Cheltenham, Gloucester, England
Dwelling 3 Portman Terrace

Name RelationMarital StatusGenderAgeBirthplaceOccupation
Sarah JONES Head W Female 32 Milford, Wales Cook Domestic Servant
Alice JONES Daur Female 12 Kings Lynn, Norfolk, England Scholar
Annie JONES Daur Female 8 Kings Lynn, Norfolk, England Scholar
Rose JONES Daur Female 6 Kings Lynn, Norfolk, England Scholar
Lily JONES Daur Female 4 Kings Lynn, Norfolk, England Scholar
 
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Hi thanks for the info The Capper geneoligy is a bit confusing.

Regards.
 
Dennis I have looked for more records on 'The capper' family...
This seems to be the birth of Williams eldest son on 1881 Census .
Births Dec Quarter (Oct,Nov, Dec) 1861 CAPPER Charles Bristol Vol 6a Page 51
(This from the FreeBMD site)
CHARLES CAPPER Birth: Christening: 09 OCT 1861
Saint Augustine The Less, Bristol, Gloucester, England
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Parents: Father: WILLIAM CAPPER Mother: SUSANNAH
(and this from the IGI site)

Marriages Jun Qutr(Apr,may,June) 1861 Capper William Bristol Vol 6a Page 172
(This could be his marriage.... and Susannah's death?)
Deaths Mar Qutr (Jan, Feb,Mar) 1881 CAPPER Susan 41 Bristol Vol 6a Page 32

Most of this can be confirmed by getting Charles' birth cert
 
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HI

William Capper did marry Susan her maiden name was Jones, she was the sister of my Great Great Grandfather Thomas Jones (coastguard), Susan died in at the Bristol Royal Infirmary, I can confirm the date as we have a copy of the death certificate, we believe Sarah and her family, my great grandmother is Annie, they moved to Cheltenham from Kings Lynn to stay with her sister in law after her husband Thomas died, rather than returning the Milford Haven her birth town.

Regards

gingerninja
 
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