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Hi
Please forgive any mistakes as this is my first post on this forum, but I am trying to trace Rosina Burns (born 21/2/1868 in Brearley Street), William Robert Burns (born 1/1/1866 in Brealey Street) and Albert Burns (born 24/3/1871 in Fisher Street).
The parents of the three children were Robert Burns and Catharine Burns (formally Hallaran). I know that William Robert died in Bewdley in 1945, but I have no other knowledge of Rosina or Albert.
Any help will be greatly appreciated.
 
I assume this is your family --

Name:Robert Baras
[Robert Burns] Age:30
Estimated birth year:abt 1841
Relation:
name:Catharine
Gender:Male
Where born:Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil parish:Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish:BishopRyder
Town:Birmingham
County/Island:Warwickshire
Country:England
Registration district:Birmingham
Sub-registration district:St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel:14
Household schedule number:
Members:NameAge
Robert Baras30
Catharine Baras31
William Robert Baras5
Rose Baras3
Albert Baras7 days
Elisa Baras20
33 Fisher St

bren
 
bren said:
I assume this is your family --

Name:Robert Baras
[Robert Burns] Age:30
Estimated birth year:abt 1841
Relation:
name:Catharine
Gender:Male
Where born:Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil parish:Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish:BishopRyder
Town:Birmingham
County/Island:Warwickshire
Country:England
Registration district:Birmingham
Sub-registration district:St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel:14
Household schedule number:
Members:NameAge
Robert Baras30
Catharine Baras31
William Robert Baras5
Rose Baras3
Albert Baras7 days
Elisa Baras20
33 Fisher St

bren
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Hi Bren
You are correct - Robert actually died a few days after the census date leaving Catharine to look after 3 young children. I am trying to establish what happened to them. William Robert was my grandfather.

Bob
 
1911 census
William Robert Burns B1866 Hockley, Bham - Brewer Carter
Emily Burns - wife - B1870 Bewdley, Worcester
Gladys Catherine Burns B1896 Bham All Saints - daughter
Mabel Gwendoline Burns B1900 Bham All Saints - daughter
Albert Hallaran Burns B1910 Bewdlley Worcester
Married 16 years, 3 children born alive to marriage, 3 still living
Address:14 Fairfield Terr, Bewdley Worcester.

Suzanne
 
smtr said:
1911 census
William Robert Burns B1886 Hockley, Bham - Brewer Carter
Emily Burns - wife - B1870 Bewdley, Worcester
Gladys Catherine Burns B1896 Bham All Saints - daughter
Mabel Gwendoline Burns B1900 Bham All Saints - daughter
Albert Hallaran Burns B1910 Bewdlley Worcester
Married 16 years, 3 children born alive to marriage, 3 still living
Address:14 Fairfield Terr, Bewdley Worcester.

Suzanne
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Hi Suzanne
Thank you so much for the census information and it is interesting to see where the family of William Robert lived. Albert Hallaran was my father who sadly passed away many years ago.
It is Robert and Catharine's other two children - Rosina(Rose) and Albert who are proving very difficult to track down. They, together with Catharine, seemed to have disappeared without trace.
Any assistance with these will be greatly appreciated.

Bob
 
William Robert Burns
Estimated birth year:
abt 1867
Age at Enlistment:18
Birth Parish:Aston
Birth County:Warwickshire
Document Year:1885
Regimental Number:1518
Regiment Name:Yorkshire Regiment
Number of Images:10
His next of kin is down as Albert Burns, High Street, Bewdley, Worcester. According to the records he enlisted in Feb 1885, occupation: general labourer
details of service
Home 24.2.1885 - 10.10.1887
Egypt 11.10.1887 - 31.1.1888
Cyprus 1.2.1888 - 28.7.1889
Egypt 29.7.1889 - 23.9.1889
Home 24.9.1889 - 23.2.1897

Suzanne
 
smtr said:
William Robert Burns
Estimated birth year:
abt 1867
Age at Enlistment:18
Birth Parish:Aston
Birth County:Warwickshire
Document Year:1885
Regimental Number:1518
Regiment Name:Yorkshire Regiment
Number of Images:10
His next of kin is down as Albert Burns, High Street, Bewdley, Worcester. According to the records he enlisted in Feb 1885, occupation: general labourer
details of service
Home 24.2.1885 - 10.10.1887
Egypt 11.10.1887 - 31.1.1888
Cyprus 1.2.1888 - 28.7.1889
Egypt 29.7.1889 - 23.9.1889
Home 24.9.1889 - 23.2.1897

Suzanne
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Hi Suzanne
Again thank you so much for the information and your speed of response.
So Albert was living in Bewdley at the time of William joining the Army, but no mention of Catharine or Rose - I wonder if they were still alive at that time ?
Have you come across Albert in any other census ?

I really do appreciate your help.

Bob
 
Bob
The nearest I can see is an Albert Burns b1869 Bham in the 1881 census listed as Inmate at "Birmingham Industrial School", Shawberry in Fillongley, Warwickshire.
Suzanne
 
Hi Suzanne
I thought I should update you on my search for Albert and Rose Burns.
Both were adopted by Richard and Maria Gillam from Bewdley. They appear with the family on the 1881 census as Albert Gillam and Rose Gillam.
Albert then went to America in 1886, married and lived in the New York area. He used the name of Albert Burns Gillam and worked in the newspaper business. I believe he died in 1958.
Rose married a Richard Young, who was a farmer, in 1924. They lived in the Bromyard area. Richard died in 1930 and I believe Rose died in 1941.
I have still to establish what happened to their mother Catharine Burns (nee Hallaran).
Thank you again for your help.

Regards

Bob
 
Hi Bob
Thanks for the update. You have certainly found out a lot since last time!
I wonder have you seen the 1910 Federal States census?
Albert B Gillam B1871 England - Occupation - Author, Newspaper Editor - year of immigration 1887 - married for 14 years. Father's birthplace Scotland, Mother's birthplace, England.
May F Gillam B1870 California - Wife - Father's birthplace England, Mother's birthplace New York
Albert B Gillam Jr - B1897 New York - son
Rose Gillam - B1903 New York - daughter
Dorothy Gillam - B1907 New York - daughter
Address: Bronx Assembly District 34, New York, New York.

The 1900 American census has:
Albert Gillam B1871 England - Journalist - married 1897
With wife May, Son Albert and another daughter who isn't in the 1910, Annie Gillam B1900, 1 month old, New York
Also May's mother, Mother in Law, transcribed as Laura Fowler but has been amended by an ancestry member as Lorna Folber, B1836 New York, Widow
Address: Manhattan, New York, New York

So it appears Albert did very well from 1900 as a Journalist to 1910 as Newspaper Editor:)

Suzanne
 
Hi Suzanne
I wish I could take all of the credit for the find, but it was down to a wonderful lady in Canada who is married to a Burns.
I have seen the two American census records you mention, but thank you again for being so helpful.
I think the best thing about this discovery is that I am now able to identify family members who appear in photographs that would have been sent to my grandfather, William Robert Burns, by his brother Albert Burns Gillam. I have Albert, Mae, Albert Jr and Dorothy all captured on film. Albert seemed to use ships like a Midland bus. He sailed to and from England many times over the years. I think he did this in 1930 to visit his sister Rosina (Rose) who had just lost her husband.
As you can imagine I am overjoyed to find Albert and Rose and to discover that they both did well after such a difficult start to life.
The problem that I would still love to solve is to find out what happened to Catharine Burns (nee Hallaran) after 1871.

Best Regards

Bob
 
Hi Bob

Yes I did notice he was back and forth quite a lot to England and America:) It seems that after his stint in Journalism he began working for New York City as an Inspector and was listed as a civil servant on later passenger records. What a wonderful life he built for himself. It must be great for you to have your relatives on film from such an early time.
Catherine does seem to be a mystery though. The only death I could find for a Catherine Burns born circa 1840 was in Aston in 1912 so where is she in between? or did she remarry? and why would the children have been adopted?
I'm sure you will get to the bottom of the mystery or someone on this wonderful site will do:)

Suzanne
 
Hi Suzanne
Yes Catharine is a mystery, but I will keep searching and who knows one day I will find her.
Thank you for all your help.

Bob
 
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