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yes they did kaitlyn....it was very common to move around a lot for various reasons ..ie a larger house or one with better conditions not that many of were that good back then.. also moved to avoid paying the rent arrears because they had not go it ..all they had to do was find an empty property and as long as the landlord was a different one they just moved in hence the saying "doing a moonlight flit" life was very tough in those days...if you did not work you did not eat and could lose the roof over your head
lyn
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hi Lyn
My next door neighbours number is 38 which is a industrial unit
It would we have the only building which is the only building left from that era it could very well be this building
If you would like to visit by all means I can arrange for you to have a look
Zac
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hi zac the old houses we are looking for photos of are long since gone but thank you for your keen interest..your neighbours grey industrial unit to the left of you and possibly where you are would be roughly where the old houses once stood ..if i do find any old photos i will of course post them on this thread...thanks again...if you would like to find out the history of your building start a new thread under our factories section of the forum..always happy to help
lyn
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Kaitlynn
proper brummie kid
I took the plunge and ordered 'William Allen's jnr, aka 'William Jackson's, birth cert;
The date of birth is spot on for 'William Allen' jnr from my tree (going by the 1921 census and the 1939 Register). The Fathers name is blank, as suspected it would be. The address of 3 Little Edward Street puts Eliza in proximity to William snr, and she's shown as being a 'Screw worker', which is a similar line of work as William snr (Carter in a Screw Factory). Likely that it was a work romance?
I may have stated in a previous post that Willian jnr was the respondent on his mothers, Eliza Jacksons, death cert, where he declared himself as Jackson instead of Allen, yet seems to have used Allen for most of his life.
This seems to indicate what some of you have stated, that William Allen snr is probably his father, but as William snr was married to and probably still living with Emily Winters, the fathers name was left blank. I'm tempted now to order the next two sons birth certs too to further substantiate this.
Interestingly, my Great Aunt Muriel is still alive, she is my paternal grandmothers sister. She knows a lot about the Allen family history, yet for years has refused to talk to me about it. Methinks she knows all about this 'skeleton in the closet', but being old school didn't want to talk about it. I wonder if she will be willing to now that I know all about it?
EDIT - I've just noticed that the address on William Allen's & Emily Winter's marriage record show them both living in Little Edward Street........
The date of birth is spot on for 'William Allen' jnr from my tree (going by the 1921 census and the 1939 Register). The Fathers name is blank, as suspected it would be. The address of 3 Little Edward Street puts Eliza in proximity to William snr, and she's shown as being a 'Screw worker', which is a similar line of work as William snr (Carter in a Screw Factory). Likely that it was a work romance?
I may have stated in a previous post that Willian jnr was the respondent on his mothers, Eliza Jacksons, death cert, where he declared himself as Jackson instead of Allen, yet seems to have used Allen for most of his life.
This seems to indicate what some of you have stated, that William Allen snr is probably his father, but as William snr was married to and probably still living with Emily Winters, the fathers name was left blank. I'm tempted now to order the next two sons birth certs too to further substantiate this.
Interestingly, my Great Aunt Muriel is still alive, she is my paternal grandmothers sister. She knows a lot about the Allen family history, yet for years has refused to talk to me about it. Methinks she knows all about this 'skeleton in the closet', but being old school didn't want to talk about it. I wonder if she will be willing to now that I know all about it?
EDIT - I've just noticed that the address on William Allen's & Emily Winter's marriage record show them both living in Little Edward Street........
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Kaitlynn
proper brummie kid
hrmm, ok that confuses things. If William snr and Emily had already split, why wasnt he named on William jnrs birth cert, unless he wasnt the father of course, or Emily Winters isnt the right lady.
I didnt know you could order digital images, I'm not very good at this lark lol.
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MWS
from Bham
William Allen and Eliza Jackson weren't married, so I see no problem with the anomalies with the birth registrations. You find many strange things in these cases and they're not always consistent as in your case.
I think everything we've said about William Allen, Emily Winters, Eliza Jackson and William Haynes and their children is correct as far as we can tell.
I think everything we've said about William Allen, Emily Winters, Eliza Jackson and William Haynes and their children is correct as far as we can tell.
MWS
from Bham
If you are using the GRO, once you find the record you want and select it then your options appear, which if available will include 'digital image' and you click on it to select...
I haven't used this myself but others have I think.