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Brasshouse Broad Street

PastTrack

proper brummie kid
Brasshaire Porrage Birmingham, Bras SH Porrage Bham, and Brass H. Porrage.
As a retired journalist, it has belatedly occurred to me, in my dotage, that I know more about the life of many another than I do of my own. Accordingly, I recently decided to indulge in amateur genealogy. With the emphasis on amateur. Knowing nothing about how best to proceed, I took out a temporary subscription to a specialist website so as to facilitate access to records relating to family members long gone, most notably, my parents.

I've now come to appreciate why so many find this kind of research so absorbing.

I knew I was, if not a Son of Birmingham, then certainly, a Grandson. What I hadn't realised was the extent to which I am infused with Scottish blood. Or at the very least, some strain of Scott's Porage Oats.

The revelation came about thanks to the transcript of 1911 census data relating to my father's Birmingham childhood. The transcript reports that he and his brothers and sisters were born variously at Brasshaire Porrage Birmingham, Bras SH Porrage Bham, and Brass H. Porrage.

Ah. Put not your faith in OCR.

A check on the original data, and also that from 1901, provided enlightenment. My father was born in Brasshouse Passage. One hundred and fourteen years ago next week.

I gather from today's street maps that neither Brasshaire Porrage nor Brasshouse Passage exist. This was confirmed by a Google search, which happily led to this forum, and explains why I'm here and pestering folks.

What I'm trying to develop is some idea of what and where that address actually was. I've been fortunate enough to access some old maps, but not one of them has specifically identified the location. Though most of the maps don't have street names, thankfully, an 1899 version does, an enlarged section of which I include here:



Reason for choosing that particular section is that one of my Google searches led to a post on this forum of some years ago in which the poster said he thought Brasshouse Passage ran from (or to) King Alfred's Place or, alternatively, King Edward's Place. Looking at the map though, I can see no evidence of that. There is, however, some kind of through access betwixt Broad Street and Cambridge Street. Unfortunately, the map makes no mention of Passage, still less of Hairy Porridge.

Help would therefore be much be appreciated; I clicked on some thumbnails yesterday which I thought might possibly be of relevance but unfortunately the images failed to open -- hence why I'm troubling everyone today.
 
It was between Oozells Street and St Peters Place. I used this site https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/ I put in the postcode for Broad Street and chose the 1889 map (good scale). It is on your map but not named.
 

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Janice: MANY many thanks for this. Instant solving of this particular mystery. I shall send you porridge by return. FT.
 
Hi Pastrack, my family also lived in Brasshaire Porrage about half a century before yours. I love the mistranslation of the census enumerators. They must heard dozens of strange accents in their time. My favourite is on our Jennings side who came to Worcester from East Galway (and later to Birmingham). Mary was listed as coming from 'Bellemegherde' which was actually Ballymacward. I try to imagine how she would have pronounced it. I wonder if there is a thread on the forum for the funniest record. I bet yours would be up at the top.
 
Hi Lady P: LOL.:) And you're right. A thread about mistranslations could be fun. I have friends who live in Bolsover Road, Worthing, and if OCR doesn't improve, I shudder to think what their descendants will encounter when doing their research. As for me, not only has an unsuspected Scots provenance emerged on my father's side, my mother's side -- rejoicing in the grand old Yorkshire surname of Clamp -- has been represented as Clump in at least one transcription. I cannot begin to describe the trauma of discovering that my genesis seems owed in large part to Clumpy Porridge.

Brasshouse Passage though. Your family and mine. Small world. And a vanished one, too. My father never spoke of it, or of his family. I never knew any of them. My mother did once tell me something of his young life but I was myself too young to fully grasp it. I take it, life in Brasshouse Passage wouldn't have been quite the same as, say, life in Edgbaston . . .
 
I love this mis- transcribing of Brasshouse passage, you wonder if the transcriber thought it a bit strange.
I read that hundreds of immigrants from Ireland who could not read or write and went to America in the 1850s/60s had new spellings of their family name because the people in Ellis Island wrote them as they were pronounced.
 
I remember Brasshouse Passage as there was an annexe of Matthew Boulton College located there, I think in a former primary school. In the very early 1970's I did A-Level English Lit there. There was also a theatrical supplies company located in a cranky old building. In fact, Brasshouse Passage had an almost Dickensian look and feel about it - a part of old Brum that really should have been preserved.

G
 
I love this mis- transcribing of Brasshouse passage, you wonder if the transcriber thought it a bit strange.
I read that hundreds of immigrants from Ireland who could not read or write and went to America in the 1850s/60s had new spellings of their family name because the people in Ellis Island wrote them as they were pronounced.
Hi Alberta: I wonder to what extent human agency is actually involved in these transcripts? I really don't know anything about genealogical research but the transcripts I looked at seemed to be batched OCRs. As for Ellis Island, you're absolutely correct. One of my US friends is called Severn. I thought that might have a connection with the river over here. Oh no, he told me. His ancestors had arrived in a group from whatever Poland may've been called back then. In an effort to keep them all together through processing, the head of the family kept trying to explain how many they totalled in number. His English was pretty much non-existent. The beleaguered official took it to mean that they were all called . . . Seven.
 
Thanks, Bee Gee. It's the kind of insights like yours that are. . . invaluable. The past is indeed another country; a pity so much got torn down.
 
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Found these but scan is not very good.
acknowledgement to Noman Bartlam
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Postie: Don't know what to say but hopefully, sincere thanks might do. I really hadn't expected to find this much help here, seeing as how Brum is a big city with a big history; the minutae of a glorified alley could easily have proved to be just a bit too minute. Thank you so much for the scan and the information therein. Yesterday is slowly coming into focus today, thanks to you and everyone else who has helped here.
 
Thanks for this, Carolina: much appreciated. Taking the two versions kindly provided by you and postie and running 'em through Photoshop seems to suggest that Brasshouse Passage lingered longer than I'd realised. The signage and presence of the tall building to the right -- compared to the rest of the streetscape, it seems fairly modern, so perhaps Big G remembers it as the industrial research laboratory referred to in postie's upload -- have a 1970s feel to them, or even later.
 
With reference to Postie's post, it's likely that the Matthew Boulton annexe was in the Adult Learning Centre he refers to. I think the theatrical supplies company was in the white building with the sign 'Skirts, Knitwear, Dresses'. All a long time ago now.

G

PS: is anyone else having trouble with the slowness of this site today?
 
Teh last Kellys published in 1973 showed Brasshouse passage there with four places listed, all on the "right " side:
Birmingham Samaritans, Brasshouse Centre, Bournville College of Art, and birmingham Public Works Dept (Industrial Research Laboratories)
 
Thanks again to everyone for all the help here. The irony, for me at any rate, is that I spent six months in Birmingham in 1965 as a trainee (sic) reporter on the Birmingham Post, but either didn't know, or was too busy to find out, that my father's home had been in Brasshouse Passage. So now, having been ignorant / stupid enough to miss that opportunity, I'm trying to backtrack from a distance in time as well as geography. Big Gee's memories and now mikejee's really helpful Kelly's 1973 are doing much to bring the place more into focus, and in a way heighten my own regret at never walking down that particular street (alley?) when I might so easily have done. Janice's Streetview link is much appreciated, prompting renewed awareness of postie's uploaded document and its reference to "the central arch, which provided access to the furnaces at the rear, is now the front door for diners who like to make a meal of their history". I wonder if, today, that archway is still the original: it looks a bit constricted to me in Streetview. And was there a change of name some decades ago, before a subsequent reversion? Reason for asking is that the word "Queen" appears in the window of the property in posties / carolina's picture. Calling it The Queen seems a bit ostentatious though, if not downright treasonable. But somehow, I can't see that being a poster advertising Freddie Mercury in concert in the snug. Anyway. My wife and I are now looking up train times and fares for a visit / stay in Brum early in the New Year. With lunch at The Brasshouse, but of course.
 
Is this it as well?

Posts crossed! Ye Gods carolina: it must be -- I've just enlarged and re-defined the image and you can just about make out the Brasshouse Passage nameplate on the wall of Duggal Brothers' store. (Currently listed as being in the "clothing and fabrics industry" and operating nowadays from Bradford Street, Deritend.) At the time of this photograph they seem to have decamped. And The Brasshouse is boarded up. 1980s dereliction, perhaps? I also note though the curious remnants of what looks like an almost. . . theatrical frontage immediately next to Duggal Bros premises, but swept away in redevelopment if Janice's Streetview is anything to go by. Oh my. More clues to the life and times of Brasshaire Porrage. T H A N K Y O U !!
 
I am not sure that it became the Brasshouse Pub until the redevelopment so probably the 80's. I am not sure what it was before that and the "Queens" might simply have been a poster. I know it was the City weights and measures dept around the time of WW2 and I am not sure how long that continued.
 
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Thanks, Janice. Appreciated as ever. Reckon you're right: it's something to do with the age of things, that when they're of a very recent past, commemoration is never considered; a more distant time, and suddenly, let's re-name everything to hearken back to that era. Anyway. I've just been driving down (I think) Broad Street in the '50s. Probably everyone here has seen this clip long since but I thought I'd mention it:


Thanks again for all your input.
 
Mike - I think the responsibility for weights and measures might have transferred to the West Midlands County Council at about that time (they ran from 1974 to 1986). In which case they might have moved offices. The reason I say that is that a phone book search no longer listed weights and Measures under Birmingham City Council but said "look under West Midlands Council".
 
Dunno about W&M in Brum but I do remember that 1974 "reorganisation of Local Government". Perhaps uncharitably, I regard pre-1974 as an era when public servants prided themselves on being that and Town Clerks cherished both title and tradition. Post-1974, and apart from the established fact that public sector salaries rocketed -- though not for essential frontline staff like carers, street sweepers and refuse collectors -- suddenly every middle, or middling, manager became a, uh, "Director" and every ratepayer "a customer" and, worst of all, every Town Clerk a Chief Executive whose pay had to be equal to that which a CEO gets in the private sector. Like, for instance, those amazingly well qualified responsible people who ran Britain's banks. But hey. I'm just an old grouch.

PS: Just noticed in posting this that the forum has endowed me with the title of 'proper brummie kid'. D'you know, that's one of the nicest things anyone's ever said. Thank you. (Can't put a smiley in 'cos this is an edit.)
 
I never cease to be amazed that this building still exists - and it's even recognisable from the early 1800 engraving. The building gets mentioned in a number of threads but I couldn't find a thread dedicated to it. Such an historical building deserves its own thread. Viv.

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Above (top image): The Brass House, Broad Street, Birmingham from Bisset’s Magnificent Guide, or Grand Copperplate Directory. The Brass House was built in 1781 to manufacture the metal alloy in Birmingham and avoid the need to transport raw brass from elsewhere. (From historywm.com)
 
A little history on the Brasshouse from the Revolutionary Players site:

"....... the Birmingham Metal Company was formed on the 2nd February 1781.

The network of canals around Birmingham was established by this time making the transportation of raw materials both quicker and cheaper. The headquarters of the new company, The Brass House, was erected in 1781 “by ye canal” in Broad Street with “… corpulent tunnels or tapering chimneys which reared behind, under each of which were two furnaces”. Soon the price of brass fell from £84.00p per ton to £56.00p per ton, thus further increasing the presence of the trade in Birmingham. The last of the six tapering chimneys was demolished on 27th January 1866 and all that remains of the building is the name of the thoroughfare “Brass House Passage”.


And a very nice Kempson halfpenny showing the New Brass Works in 1796.

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i agree viv...quite amazing the building is still there..fingers crossed for a long time yet

lyn
 
Spent a few years there studying Portuguese when it was the Language Centre. Now the centre seems to be based at the Library.

What is the building used for at the moment?

Have I got the right Building?
 
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