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Does anyone have any information on THOMAS BLUCK & FREDERICK BLUCK. On 1891 census they lived at 131, 6 York Terrace, Regent Park Rd with William & Elizabeth Houghton and their children. The relationship is stated as son but I know that William was not their father as he was living with someone else in 1881. I do however, think that Elizabeth was their mother.

Thomas married Ethel Mary Cox in Sept quarter 1896 in Aston and they had Ethel, Ada, Liza, Connie, Edwin. Walter. Leonard and Frederick.

Frederick married Daisy Kate Hanson in June quater 1898 in Kings Norton and they had Frederick jr, and Ivy upto 1901.

I can't find either Thomas or his brother Frederick on 1881 census and I am unsure of where to look for further information. Was BLUCK their mothers maiden or married name? What was their fathers name? Where were they in 1881?

Any help appreciated.
Karen Hindmarch
 
I knew a Linda Bluck at school...... she was I'm sure in the same class as me at Burlington Street, Aston. I may be able to contact her through another of the class members I sometimes hear from.
 
Elizabeth bluck married WilliamHoughton ,Aston Sept 1883
reference Volume 6d page 391
Certificate will have her fathers surname so that you can tell whether she was married before.
Just to complicate matters the 1891 also has Alfred James Nead b.Pershore age 20.stated relationship son.
Here is 1881 census entry,was William Houghton telling 'porkies' about his age on 1891.and if married where is his wife


Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
William HOUGHTON Head M Male 38 Pershore, Worcester, England Agricultural Labourer
Mary NEED Housekeeper U Female 44 Pershore, Worcester, England Housekeeper Dom
William NEED Son Of Housekeeper U Male 18 Pershore, Worcester, England Agricultural Labourer
Alfred James NEED Son Of Housekeeper Male 9 Pershore, Worcester, England Scholar
Edward Thomas NEED Son Of Housekeeper Male 7 Pershore, Worcester, England Scholar
John NEED Son Of Housekeeper Male 3 Pershore, Worcester, England
Sidney NEED Son Of Housekeeper Male 1 Pershore, Worcester, England


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Source Information:
Dwelling High Street
Census Place Pershore Holy Cross, Worcester, England

the 1901 shows none of these except Alfred James
 
Ill let John Houghton know about this, he has extensively researched the Houghton name, so he might be able to help?
 
Hi

It is getting complicated now. I have been in contact with one of Alfred Need's rellie and she is as much in the dark as me. I have found out in the course of poking about that William Houghton may have had a son, William Houghton (very original) and it may have been the son who had an affair with his fathers housekeeper and produced Alfred Need and just to add insult to injury, William Houghton snr married his housekeeper later. If you take a look at the 1891 census, there are 2 William Houghtons from Pershore and this seems to be the most logical explanation and he could not have been in 2 places at once and the ages don't add up either.
Karen
 
I used to work with a girl named Averill Bluck, her husband was named Bert and his family came from Small Heath, I guess he would be in his late sixties now, at the time I was friendly they lived in Digby Drive, Marston Green, could this be a branch of your family tree?
 
I am supprised that no one has said that One on the Bluck Brothers William was the one of the most decorated Birmingham Soldiers in The Great War and was in The Royal Welsh Fusiliers his relative is a friend of mine and I wrote an article about the Bluck brothers for a Regimental Magazine which I will forward a Copy to anyone thats intrested
Also if any one wants any information on Birmingham men who joined the Royal Welsh Fusiliers when the came to Birmingham on a recruiting drive get in touch as I have many photos of the men such as Walter Meredith, Edwin Thomas Beddoes,Rueben George Brooks,W.J & A.Bunce,W.F.Earp,Alfred Wardell, William Smith Miles,T.Edwin,G.A.Rock,Thomas Grimmet,A.H.Cumberland,Thomas Neale,Gregory Higgins,Albert Smith,Ernest Troman,Samuel Hand,HenryCox,Richard Stead,Samuel Handley, John Percival ,Alfred George Perks,Sidney Rowe,Percy James Stevens,Andrew Twyford,Alfred Williams,Harry James Harper,William Frank Turrell,Albert George Bevan,Herbert Brazenhall,Albert Edward Arkell,Frank Bond,Harry Bass, Bernard Stevens, W. Butwell, Percy William George Thompson,Bernard Tracy,Cpl Whitfield any many more Birmingham and Aston Men some are in a book which I helped to get published
 
An article on William Bluck would be a great addition to the main site. O0
What was the book called, please.
 
Regimental Sergeant-Major 6118 Thomas Bluck M.C. 1st Battalion Royal Welsh Fusiliers
Thomas Bluck joined the Royal Welsh Fusiliers in 1899 and not long afterwards he had the opportunity of proving his mettle in the Boer War. He arrived in South Africa and after the initial training, and fought in the war avoiding most of the bloodbath by his late arrival. He gained his South African Medals as Corp. after quick promotion, he received Q. S. A. clasps, South Africa in 1901, and South Africa medal in 1902. He Embarked with the 1st Batt,R.W.F on the 6th October 1914 for France fighting all the way back to the coast on the retreat from Men's. In a letter from the front concerning that terrible struggle in October it stated :-
The Sergeant Major, two Staff Sergeants have been -wounded, three Colour Sergeants are prisoners in Germany, and two Colour Sergeants, Craven and Sullivan were missing Sergeant Bluck was the last sergeant to get wounded, he was one of the last two left and did splendid work, being practically in command of a double company for days. If the commissioned Officer or Adjutant had been here he would probably have got the V.C. , which he deserves.. Colonel R. Gabbett, who was killed in action recently and at the time of the Ypres engagement was Major, was wounded at the same time as when Sergeant Major Bluck was hit, and was instrumental, it is understood in obtaining official recognition of his N.C.O. 's gallantry.
The Battalion suffered severely in that conflict, Sergeant Bluck was one of the last two left of his rank after the battle, and the last to get wounded, he was practically in command of a double company for 2 days, and for his gallantry it gained him The Russian Cross and his Sergeant-Majorship He had two slight wounds but refused to go to hospital, and of course, to England
CQMS 4016 William Sullivan from Enniskillen, who enlisted Caernarfon and CQMS 8284 Sidney Craven born and enlisted in Birmingham were both killed in action with another 78 other men on 30th October 1914, 24 days after landing in France.
In The Birmingham Daily Post printed on the 13th Dec. 1914, 185 RWF men listed as missing -88 of those we know were taken as POW and 80 were killed in Action, and one was shot for desertion. Bluck was made Sergeant Major a month later, He was born Birmingham, his parents are among the oldest residents living at 103 Wright Street, Small Heath having resided there for 25 years while 40 years of there lives have been spent living in the city. He has three brothers serving in the armed forces they are:- Sgt. William Bluck 3rd Batt. Royal Welsh Fusiliers, who has been six years with the colours, and is now a Staff-Orderly. Private Harold Bluck who is in R.A.M.C. (The Royal Army Medical School) and Private Frank Bluck 5th Royal Warwick's (Transport Section) now in France and who formerly worked at the City Gas Works.
Regimental Sergeant Major Thomas Bluck went on to get further glory on the battlefields of France and twice he was mentioned in Despatches for conspicuous bravery in operations near Hullach during the "Big Push" as the German trenches were captured Bluck, with cool precision, followed up, establishing ammunition depot's in them under a hail of bullets and shells and constantly encouraged his men to put all they were worth into the offensive. Bluck escaped death by a miracle and received a bullet through his right arm.
It is pretty safe to say that at the age of 35 very few Birmingham man got the honours bestowed on Bluck That he received, he has the proud record of having gained :-
S.A Medal, South African Queens Clasp
Military Cross; The Russian Cross of St.George Fourth Class; and the French Military Cross
Mon's Star; British War Medal; Victory Medal.
He retired from the Army in 1924 and spent the rest of his days in Small Heath, Birmingham He was one of Birmingham's Greatest Heroes to come out of the Great War of 1914-18
Truly a Remarkable Man
Article by Graham Knight
 
What a cracking read and what brave men!.  Thank you for sharing the story with us. O0
 
:angel: cromwell, I'm sure Rod and John H will request a copy of the above and the Pic's of the two young men to put on 'The Main BHWR Site'.
Thanx for sharing the Bluck family story with us, it made very interesting reading.

Chris :angel:
 
Just as a matter of intrest Maud Bluck was living at 14 back of 66 Cromwell Street in 1962
 
I lived a few doors away from Maud Bluck who lived at 14 back of 66 Cromwell Street Nechells in the 50's. I lived next door to the pub
 
Another two Bluck brothers served in the Great War and both lived at 87 Talbot Street Winson Green

H.Bluck 10th Battalion Lincolnshire Regiment he joined up in Sept 1915 and was in all the major battles of the Somme Vimy and Bapaume were he was wounded and gassed, and taken prisoner were he was till after the Armistice was signed were he was bought home and demobbed in Feb.1919

T. Bluck Private Machine Gun Corps joined up in 1915 and was in France  by the end of the year he was at the Battle of Ypres, Passchendale and Nieuport were he was wounded gassed and twice buried by explosions in the trenches.
Later he was transfered to Italy and saw service in Venice until the cessation of Hostilities,he was demobbed and returned home on the 16th March 1919 Both brother got the Star, Service and War Medals

I saw a Film an American  about the Fighting Sullivans a few years back they should make one about the Fighting Blucks
 
My grandfather was Thomas Bluck, And to my knowledge they had five sons, my father was Edwin Albert Bluck, born in 1900, and he had at least one elder brother, Thomas, who was killed in the first world war in Belgium I believe, the only other brother that may have been older than him was Leonard, if so they were the only two, that were born in the late 1890's. The rest of the family, (if its the same family, which I think is quite likely) are in birth order, Ada, Ethel, Connie, Fredrick, Liza, and Walter, who was only 12 years younger than me, so would have been born roughly the year is elder brother Thomas was killed 1915, he had been recruited from the scouts, to work behind the lines, as an ammunition carrier aged 15. I believe there were probably three still born children as well.
 
1911 census lists Leonard as 6 month old. Rest are Thomas (13), Ethel (11), Edwin (9), Ada (7), Connie (4), Liza (2) and Leonard. The infornmation suggests at that point 8 children had been born alive and 1 had died. The address is 202 Whitehall Road, Bordesley Green. Edwin was baptised at St Andrew's on 1st October 1903 along with Ethel and Ada and the address then was 2 Brighton Place, Cattell Road.

Janice
 
This is Thomas J A Bluck,s CWGC Memorial certificate, BLUCK_THOMAS_JOHN_ARTHUR-page-001.jpg and photo of his head stoneThomas Bluck  200728.jpg from his medal card it appears he landed in France 22/3/15, as private 2932 and later promoted to corporal his number then was 200728 as can be seen here on a record of effects Thomas Bluck  200728-2932.jpg and he Died of wounds on 5/10/17. Michael.


Click Three Times on Photo to Enlarge.
 
Dear Janice, I am indebted to you for your very precise information, the thing that bothers me, is what happened to my uncle's, Walter, and Fredrick, on the census listing,and why Leonard is mentioned twice,I'm also amazed how wrong I was with my uncles and aunties ages,but thank you.
88brumboy
 
My fault - Leonard is only once. I just mentioned him to start with and then decided to list them all. The others might have been elsewhere on the night of the census. I found a Frederick at his grandparents (John and Sarah Bluck in Kings Norton) - not sure if it is "your one". I will see if I can find a Walter.

I can't find a Walter who I think is correct but I did find a birth and death of a Winifred Nellie (daughter of Thomas John and Ethel) baptised 2 March 1905 and buried in first quarter 1906.

Janice
 
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Dear Janice, I phoned my cousin, one of Fredrick's two daughters this afternoon, and she tells me that there was no Kings Norton address that she knew of, she also says that her father was born on 1-11-1912. Walter as I've said, was definitely the youngest sibling, and only approximately 12years older than me, which would make his berth year around 1915, he was married I believe around 1939, and lived most of his married live in Stechford, but for some reason or other, most of the family never had anything to do with him, in fact I never saw him again.
My thanks for you help.
88brumboy
 
If Walter was not born until about 1915 then that explains why he was not on the 1911 census. I have found a birth for Frederick in 1912 which would also explain the census entry. I have also now found a birth for Walter in 1917. Both entries show Mother to be a Cox before marriage.

Janice
 
Dear Janice, I agree that it would explain the absence of Walter on the 1911 census, the same would obviously apply to Fredrick, who I am told by my cousin, was born on 1-11-1912.
Thank you, I do very much appreciate your research, and your very prompt replies.
88brumboy.
 
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