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Barnett Elijah Looking for 1900

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I'm looking for some information on Mother-in-Law's grandfather Elijah Barnett. I'm assuming he married a woman called Mary but i cant find a marriage certificate for them. Elijah passed away sometime before 1912 .I think it may have been about 1900 because Mary Married a James Mills around that time. I cant find a death certificate for Elijah either. Can anyone help me please. If it's any help. My mother-in-Laws father is William Barnett born approx 1890 , the family all originate from the birmingham area.
 
Re: Looking for Elijah Barnett

I'm assuming that Mary married James Mills in the Dec qtr of 1901 registered in Dudley. Can't find anything about Elijah, more info required.

Have you seen Elijah and Mary together on any of the censuses? Have you seen the marriage certificate between Mary and James, which should show Mary's maiden name? Then you can search for her first marriage using her name.

If the answer to the census question is no and Mary's maiden turns out to be Barnett, Elijah could be made up and William illegitimate.
 
Re: Looking for Elijah Barnett

MWS said:
I'm assuming that Mary married James Mills in the Dec qtr of 1901 registered in Dudley. Can't find anything about Elijah, more info required.

Have you seen Elijah and Mary together on any of the censuses? Have you seen the marriage certificate between Mary and James, which should show Mary's maiden name? Then you can search for her first marriage using her name.

If the answer to the census question is no and Mary's maiden turns out to be Barnett, Elijah could be made up and William illegitimate.
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On Williams marriage certificate it states that his Father was Elijah.My mother-in-Law can remember her grandfather as James Mills but she cant remember her grandmothers name. When i checked the census i found her name to be Mary. It fits with everything else. The trouble is if you check the dates. Williams birth as approx 1890. Marys' birth approx 1877. That would make her about 14 when she gave birth. It doesn't seem right somehow. If she gave birth out of wedlock and she was a Barnett then perhaps Elijah was made up
 
Re: Looking for Elijah Barnett

Are you working out how old Mary was when she gave birth to William from the age she gives on a census? If so is the age she says she is similar to her second husband James Mills age?- if it is she could really be older and is lying about her age as in those days it was not considered right for a woman to be older than her husband.

Could you gave more details of the censuses you have found them on? If you could it may help someone on here help you solve it.

Did William or Elijah have a second name?
 
Re: Looking for Elijah Barnett

According to his marriage certificate 1912 William was his only name he was born about 1890 or maybe a little earlier .His father was Elijah Barnett (a collier). On the 1911 census Mary and James Mills were living in Green Lane. It all fits but i cant seem to work out where Elijah fits in.
 
Re: Looking for Elijah Barnett

I have searched all Elijah Barnett entries on census and BMD

No marriage for Elijah Barnett to Mary, no Elijah a collier in England or Wales.

Interestly I found an Eli Barnett living in Netherton Ward of Dudley in 1881 and 1901 with his wife Elizabeth (Eli registered June 1854 Dudley)
in 1881 an Iron miner in 1901 a coal miner underground (collier)

I cannot find Eli or the family in 1891 in either England or Wales,

Did have a dalliance with Mary at that time? and where is he 1891.

Could be worth following up.
 
Re: Looking for Elijah Barnett

If you are confident that the James and Mary Mills living in Hansworth are correct you could look for the baptism/birth certificate of one of their children and see what the mother's maiden name is. If it is Barnett it would point to William being illegitimate, Mary being possibly a daughter or a sister of the Eli Barnett that Alberta has found.

There are 5 Mary Barnett births registered in Dudley between 1871 and 1881, maybe one of them could be her.
 
The births of their children on 1911 census were all registered at West Bromwich and there is an Ernest T Mills MMN BARNETT birth registered at W Bromwich September quarter 1912 6b 1487.
 
Re: Looking for Elijah Barnett

Ernest Thomas Mills’ baptism was at St James Handsworth 26 June 1912 father James (coal dealer) mother Mary. 8 Green Lane, Handsworth. He was born 7 June 1912.
 
Re: Looking for Elijah Barnett

Baptisms
[TABLE="width: 51%"]
[TR]
[TD]Annie Gertrude Mills
[/TD]
[TD]23 Jul 1905
[/TD]
[TD]Handsworth, St James,
[/TD]
[TD]James, Mary
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]David Charles Mills
[/TD]
[TD]27 Jul 1910
[/TD]
[TD]Handsworth, St James,
[/TD]
[TD]James, Mary
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

1905 at 4 Green Lane, 1910 8 Green Lane.
 
Thanks for all that information guys ,you have been most helpful.Yes you seem to be right about Mary. Do you think William just put a name on his wedding certificate to avoid the shame or is it worth trying for a birth certificate?
 
I would think that as far as your mother in laws ancestry goes it would be more interesting to have the marriage certificate
of James Mills /Mary Barnett to see if her fathers name is Barnett comfirming that she was in fact single when she married James.
 
Hi there. I have received the marriage certificate today for James mills and Mary Barnett. As you can see ,she is a widow but i cant make out what the words say on the top. Would anyone be able to decipher it. Many thanks ..Eileencertificate 015.jpg
 
Can't make out what it says but whatever it is, it doesn't make it true. Birth registration / baptism of son Ernest still points to her being a Barnett. Who does she put as her father?
 
We still need a little more. from the snippet you have shown. I have traced James Mills, in 1911 says born Long Marston.
On the certificate it says father 'Dav' and James mills born 1878 Marston Sicca also known as Long Marston living with a father David in 1881 Stratford area.
Marys father on Certificate 'Noa' which I take is Noah but what surname?
 
I will have another go at photographing the certificate but it says that James father was David Mills and Mary's father was Noah Marsh.
 
Emmanuel Dudley 6c52
Mary Dudley 6c52

[TH="colspan: 6"][SIZE=+1]Marriages Sep 1892 [/SIZE]
[/TH]

[TD="bgcolor: #99cc99"] Barnett [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #ccffcc"] Marsh [/TD]
 
Emanuel 28 Dudley 6c8

[TH="colspan: 6"][SIZE=+1]Deaths Jun 1893 [/SIZE]
[/TH]

[TD="bgcolor: #999999"]Barnett[/TD]

Emmanuel 0 Dudley 6c51

[TH="colspan: 6"][SIZE=+1]Deaths Mar 1894 [/SIZE][/TH]

[TD="bgcolor: #999999"]BARNETT[/TD]
 
Thanks for the info.. Dont know where Elijah came from, unless it was a nickname. But why would William put Elijah on his wedding certificate and not Emmanuel.
 
here is Mary and father Noah in 1881. Mary's sister Parthena was a witness at her marriage to James Mills.

[h=4]1881 census transcription details for: 7, Bumble Hole, Dudley (Worcs)e[/h]National Archive Reference:
[TABLE="class: result, width: 770"]
[TR]
[TH]RG number:[/TH]
[TD]RG11[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH]Piece:[/TH]
[TD]2882[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH]Folio:[/TH]
[TD]68[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH]Page:[/TH]
[TD]20 [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH]Reg. District:[/TH]
[TD]Dudley[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH]Sub District:[/TH]
[TD]Dudley[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH]Parish:[/TH]
[TD]Dudley (Worcs)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH]Enum. District:[/TH]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH]Ecclesiastical District:[/TH]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH]City/Municipal Borough:[/TH]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH]Address:[/TH]
[TD]7, Bumble Hole, Dudley (Worcs)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH]County:[/TH]
[TD]Staffordshire[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE="class: extended"]
[TR]
[TH]Name[/TH]
[TH]Relation[/TH]
[TH]Condition[/TH]
[TH]Sex[/TH]
[TH]Age[/TH]
[TH]Birth Year[/TH]
[TH]Occupation , Disability[/TH]
[TH]Where Born[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]MARSH, Noah[/TD]
[TD]Head[/TD]
[TD]Married[/TD]
[TD] M[/TD]
[TD]43[/TD]
[TD]1838[/TD]
[TD]Pit Labourer (C M)
[/TD]
[TD]Gornal Wood, Staffordshire[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]MARSH, Ruth[/TD]
[TD]Wife[/TD]
[TD]Married[/TD]
[TD] F[/TD]
[TD]42[/TD]
[TD]1839[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Gornal Wood, Staffordshire[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]MARSH, Ann[/TD]
[TD]Daughter[/TD]
[TD]Single[/TD]
[TD] F[/TD]
[TD]18[/TD]
[TD]1863[/TD]
[TD]Dress Maker
[/TD]
[TD]Rowley, Staffordshire[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]MARSH, Willicecey[/TD]
[TD]Son[/TD]
[TD]Single[/TD]
[TD] M[/TD]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]1865[/TD]
[TD]Pit Labourer (C M)
[/TD]
[TD]Rowley, Staffordshire[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]MARSH, Sarah[/TD]
[TD]Daughter[/TD]
[TD]Single[/TD]
[TD] F[/TD]
[TD]13[/TD]
[TD]1868[/TD]
[TD]Scholar
[/TD]
[TD]Rowley, Staffordshire[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]MARSH, Mary[/TD]
[TD]Daughter[/TD]
[TD]Single[/TD]
[TD] F[/TD]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]1870[/TD]
[TD]Scholar
[/TD]
[TD]Rowley, Staffordshire[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]MARSH, Perthaner[/TD]
[TD]Daughter[/TD]
[TD]Single[/TD]
[TD] F[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]1880[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Dudley, Worcestershire[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
 
Do we know that Williams father was actually Emanuel cannot find Mary Marsh or William (was he registered Barnett) but found Emanuel, single. living with his father in Netherton in 1891.
 
Have found Mary Marsh in 1891 living with her grandmother Perthaner, thank goodness for unusual family names.

1891 census transcription details for: 2, Bull Street, Sedgley, Lower Gornal, Wolverhampton
National Archive Reference:
[TABLE="width: 770"]
[TR]
[TD]RG number:
[/TD]
[TD]RG12
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Piece:
[/TD]
[TD]2292
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Folio:
[/TD]
[TD]87
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Page:
[/TD]
[TD]10
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Reg. District:
[/TD]
[TD]Dudley
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Sub District:
[/TD]
[TD]Sedgley
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Parish:
[/TD]
[TD]Sedgley
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Enum. District:
[/TD]
[TD]46
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Ecclesiastical District:
[/TD]
[TD]St James Lower Gornal
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]City/Municipal Borough:
[/TD]
[TD]Wolverhampton
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Address:
[/TD]
[TD]2, Bull Street, Sedgley, Lower Gornal, Wolverhampton
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]County:
[/TD]
[TD]Staffordshire
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Name
Relation
Condition
Sex
Age
Birth Year
Occupation , Disability
Where Born
MARSH, Perthaner
Head
Widow
 F
74
1817
Staffordshire
MARSH, Mary
Granddaughter
Single
 F
21
1870
Staffordshire
 
I have been looking for a birth certificate for William Barnett. (born approx), 1891 I thought it might give me the fathers name. and i notice that Mary's age differs . Could she have possibly given a false age on her marriage certificate? I can find a few William Barnett's but i'm not so sure that i'm on the right track.
 
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