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BANNISTER, Mary and Martha

Thanks for that, both. I'd very much like to explore that further and shall come back to it shortly. Meanwhile, though, I'm just trying to summarise where we have got to on the nomadic life of my paternal grandfather, Charles, between the loss of his wife Martha Bannister in 1918 and his death following a raid on Handsworth in 1940. Hope to have something to show here, including images, in a day or two.

Chris
 
This is a little bit about Isaac Myers b1850, the eldest son of Maurice Myers and Elizabeth Abrahams, both the cousin and second cousin of Charles Moss Myers.

Following his father in the tobacco trade in 1881 he is listed as an Importer of Tobacco and in 1901 as Retired Cigar Merchant. It may have been through this work that he met his wife, a French lady Amelie Anne George, whom he married in Paris in 1887.

After his father's death, the family had moved to London and that's where Isaac died in 1909. His wife outlived him by nearly 50 years, dying in 1947.

They had 4 children. Their only son, George Maurice Myers, was a Private in the London Regiment and died in France 15 Sep 1915.

Their youngest daughter, Edith, married a man in Kimberley, South Africa in 1920 but returned to London later the same year without her husband. A son was the following year, who I assume was her husband's.

Their middle daughter, Julie, followed what seems to be a family trait and never married.

I'm not sure what happened to the eldest daughter, Eliza, but with a connections to France and South Africa she may have an interesting story as well.

Apologies Chris if this is already known
 
Just coming back to this and trying to clear my head as to where we are.

Where I think I am – and this is where my brother came to a stop – is that Isaac Myers (1792-1848, m. Rachel Jacobs (ca.1790-1844) was the father of my great-grandfather Henry (1832-1907). In 1823, Isaac is mentioned as a Victualler trading at 11, New Inkleys and later as a Tavern Keeper at various Birmingham addresses. In 1841 he is with his family at The Green Man Tavern, Edgbaston Street......
Sorry, I've mentioned much of this before. But now we have, as well, (thanks) various mentions of Isaac and also his will (which I have yet to find a way of accessing in its entirety); and information on the Abrahams line and the cousins of my grandfather.

With the information available to him at the time, my brother was unable to identify Isaac's father and other forbears with any degree of certainty. Are you finding that you have hit the same brick wall? What I should dearly like to find out, in the end, is when that part of the family arrived in the UK (almost certainly via London) and where they came from – probably somewhere in north-eastern Germany, Brandenburg or further east. It was clearly very early, and before the Victorian surge in Jewish immigration of the 19th century. Possibly lost in time, now, but I live in hope!

Chris
 
From what's available online I can't go any further back than Isaac. I think I mentioned previously that there is a tree on familysearch that suggests that Isaac & Rachel married in 1822 at Hambro Synague London.

What info that record may contain I don't know, though the tree doesn't list any parents for Isaac which doesn't bode well. With Isaac only appearing on only one census you can't be totally certain that his birthplace is correct but you would hope that if he was born in Bham there would be a record somewhere which would give parents.

There is an elder Maurice Myers in Bham on the 1841 census living with a brother (?) and his family and I'm wondering if they are related.
 
Stepping back to Maurice Myers (Henry's brother). There are many adverts in the newspapers for tobacco products from Maurice, 109 Dale End. Interestingly there is also the granting of a Billiard License to him in 1860.

Not sure where he is in 1851 as his wife and son are in Chertsey with her parents without him. Maybe he's abroad on business.

And he must have been one of the earliest (25th-ish) to be buried in Witton Old Jewish Cemetery.
 
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