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BANNISTER, Mary and Martha

Thanks, MWS, My brother would have agreed with that. He noted "unknown ancestry" above John's name. No lifespan either, just "married 1822" and Martha Jewkes name.

Back shortly - possibly a bit temporarily - with a further glimpse into life about 80 years ago at 35 High Street, Harborne.

Chris
 
John Bannister born c1799, married Martha Jewkes 2 Dec 1822 at St Thomas', Dudley. Died Oct 1862, funeral St Andrew's, Netherton 19 Oct. Address is given as Bumble Hole.

And having said most of the Bannisters were miners, he was a Nailor.

Martha born c1802 died in May 1865, funeral 21 May. Same church, same address.
 
A perhaps final word on George Thomas Tovey, (1862-1949), my maternal grandfather, as I remember him in the last 15 or so years of his life. (See posts around #138).

FURTHER MEMORIES OF EMILY BLACK AND GEORGE THOMAS TOVEY AT 35 HIGH STREET, HARBORNE (ca. 1940 - 1949)
written by ChrisM in 2025.

My mother retained a significant degree of loyalty to her father, George Thomas Tovey, despite the fact of the latter's marriage breakup in the very earliest years of the twentieth century and her having spent most of her childhood in the care of George's mother, Elizabeth Tovey and his stepfather, George Snook. Unlike the relationship she retained with her estranged mother (Rachel Tovey, whose existence she denied to her own children throughout her life), the three of us shared in this and enabled my brother to recall remarkable detail of it from the early 1920s onwards. I myself later participated, no doubt from an early age, and can provide a few further fragments of memory of it from my own childhood.

My memories follow a similar pattern to those of my brother who recorded nothing other than meetings with Grandpa in or very near the latter's Harborne home. Perhaps there was never any meeting elsewhere: nothing is mentioned from the 1920s/30s and I am wholly unaware of Grandpa ever visiting us at our home in Streetly. Nor, to the best of my knowledge, does any photograph of him or Mrs Black survive amongst the many other family images which I have. Whether a similar relationship was shared between George and his younger daughter, Beatrice, who was a baby at the time of the break-up in the very early 1900s, was only confirmed some fifty years after my last visit to my grandfather. In 1998, after my mother's death, I sought out Beatrice's only daughter who was still living in Birmingham. In the course of a long, affectionate and sometimes hilarious conversation I learned that, yes, Beatrice and she had visited Grandpa and Mrs. Black regularly, just as Mother and my brother, Graham (and later I) had done, for decades. These meet-ups never included the mother, of course, Rachel. Her comment to both of them, on their return home, was normally "And how WAS the old sod, then?"

Family break-ups often had all the bitterness which they can still have in the 21st century but, added to that, there was then a degree of shame and disgrace as well, probably encouraged by older family members clinging firmly to their Victorian values. This particular one had immense repercussions in our family: the splitting up of two sisters (who, to their credit, retained some sort of relationship for most of their lives); very different upbringings; and in each case subsequent lives which were, for better or for worse, defined by it for a generation or more. And so I suspect that, while my mother's relationship with her father was a loving and caring one and she ensured that her own children shared in it, it was something which was kept at arm's length and very separate from her own life in Erdington and later Streetly - in fact two long bus rides away.

It was always after such two long bus rides that my mother and I would walk along High Street, Harborne – with Mother usually carrying a basket of some sort - and reach the row of cottages were Grandpa and Mrs Black lived. My brother felt that the appearance of these dwellings belied rather better accommodation than one might have expected. Looking at the 21st century images of them (and how wonderful it is that the buildings have survived – I was convinced that they hadn't) they appear to me to be superior to those prevalent at that time in many parts of Birmingham and no doubt these days make nice homes; but perhaps in the period he was talking about they were run down and drab. And certainly, to me looking at them uncritically in the 1940s, they appeared little different from those streetfuls of terraced properties which I regularly saw from the upper deck of our Midland Red bus as I travelled in and out of the City. And they seemed old - in fact, they had been there for a century, originally as nailers' cottages, before I first set eyes on them – grimy and drab, which most old things seemed to me to be, at that time.

A couple of yards off the street and then, ignoring the unused front doors on either side of us, down through the fascinating tunnel and, at the back, left and a knock on the door of no.35. In we would go to be greeted by the old people. They always seem pleased to see us. The back door opened into their kitchen. I don't remember cellar steps or the gas stove which my brother mentioned, but possibly a flight of stairs to the upper story up which I never penetrated. Otherwise the overwhelming memory is of a cosy small room, dominated by a black kitchen range on the right hand wall which stretched up far above my head and was topped by a wooden mantelpiece from which a row of Staffordshire ornaments looked down on me. A couple of easy chairs were on each side of it and, between them, a rag hearth rug. The fire itself was always burning - as I remember it, summer and winter. And it was also never without its copper kettle, or so it seemed to me, usually bubbling away and ready for use. The range was one of the fascinations to me of their home. (So different in this and so many other ways from our own which was a recently built semi in Streetly where you had a fire in the living-room grate in winter but would never have used it in any other way than perhaps to toast your piece of bread or pikelet on a Sunday afternoon - and of course in its own room a gas stove together with a crock sink with an Ascot water heater over it which roared into life to give you hot water as soon as you turned on its tap. And of course, electric light).

Gas was the main service into the Harborne property although I think there must have been a cold water tap in the sink. Lighting was via a gas mantle suspended from the middle of the ceiling and was no doubt supplemented by oil lamps and candles. But I was never there after dark to see any of that. There appeared to be no electricity and I have no idea when that came to those properties. It must have been after I last saw them in 1949.

Beyond the kitchen/living room was the front room which I only ever saw used on one occasion. The room was dark and a bit dingy and a large sofa with a black, shiny, unyielding cushion on it, no doubt stuffed with horse hair, obstructed an outside door which, I worked out, was the front door. Another source of fascination – why did you have door and then put a huge, heavy piece of furniture in front of it? Quite outside my limited scope of experience.

Mrs. Black and Grandpa were of course always there when we visited. Grandpa must have been approaching 70 when I first remember meeting him and had long since retired from Cadbury's. Mrs. Black was eight years his senior. She was a smallish, energetic little lady always dressed in black which I recall feeling as appropriate, bearing in mind her name. It did pass my mind that it was strange she was not called Mrs. Tovey or Grandma because they appeared to be like any other couple whom I encountered. But the situation was like any other facing a young child - something a bit different which you accepted as just something new and part of the big world you were learning about. Mrs. Black's status was briskly explained to me by my mother - she was Grandpa's housekeeper. (The census returns from earlier days show a slightly different emphasis - Mrs. Black was the householder, Grandpa a boarder. And from the same recent research it also emerged that in 1901 they had lived in the same area with their then spouses, in Gt. Colmore Street: George Tovey at 10 Ct. 5 and Emily Black at 3 Ct. 24). It is not known whether they were acquainted with each other at that stage).

But whatever the situation it was clearly Mrs. Black who ran the domestic side of things in Harborne and that came as no surprise as me as a small boy absorbing the life I saw going on around me. Grandpa seemed, as I remember it, almost always firmly established in his armchair on the right-hand side of the range, back to the window, in jacket or waistcoat and with newspaper on lap and cup of tea to hand, while Mrs. Black and Mum fussed around. (My big regret, later, is that, unusually in our family, absolutely no image of either him or Mrs. Black has survived. This is almost certainly because all the meetings which I recall took place in that little living-room/kitchen, in my school holidays, and never involved my father (and his camera). Nothing especially significant in that but it does mean that I cannot visualise the faces of either, at one time so familiar to me and now lost.

I was never conscious of accent. Both old people were entirely comprehensible to me. I did not notice, either, whether Mrs. Black spoke differently from Grandpa or Mum or any of us. Whether she retained any vestiges of her Yorkshire childhood or not, I was certainly never aware. My visits to them involved, for me, a surrounding buzz of natter, as they and my mother did their regular catch-up and no doubt talked of family and other things. I don't ever remember being transfixed with boredom - which would have left me with great reluctance to participitate in the next visit - but almost everything talked about was either absorbed by me and later forgotten or went entirely over my head.

To be continued.....
 
Continuing.....

Just one or two conversations did linger, for reasons unknown. One day, the talk turned to the Blitz. I don't think that this can have been immediately after the major raids of late 1940 and early 1941, but as recalled a year or two later, in perhaps around 1943 when I was seven. Mrs. Black was telling us about being in central Birmingham the following morning, in New Street. She told us that in the midst of the devastation she completely lost her bearings and had to turn to a kind and friendly policeman to tell her exactly where she was. It sounded a pathetic scene to me. There must have been other details but that was the one part of the conversation which always stuck in my mind.

And, on another occasion, rather later, perhaps in 1946, Mrs. Black was lying on the sofa in the front room, talking quietly to my mother about the severe pain she was in and asking pathetically what she had ever done to deserve such suffering. This must have been the later stages of the cancer which was killing her. Poor, dear old Mrs Black.

I remember absolutely nothing of the many interesting things which Grandpa must have told me about, because we chatted frequently and he probably found me an eager audience. What gems of family history were probably lost!

Whenever it was time to leave the cottage, my grandfather would fumble in his trouser pocket and fish out a sixpenny piece (2½p) - an acceptable gift - which he then presented to me. There was embarrassment once - all he had was a shilling (5p). Mum, ever the diplomat, jumped in and gave him sixpence change. Problem resolved. On one occasion, one of the ornaments was brought down off the shelf and presented to me. A surprising gift and made with the best of intentions. It was a little ruined castle. It's potential as a useable toy did not, unfortunately, survive examination on our return home. The interior of this object barely existed, just a blank area of glazed pottery as you looked down into it. So disappointing! It ended up on our own china shelf throughout the rest of my childhood and I hope it survives in some corner of our family.

My last memory of Grandpa was in March 1949, a couple of years after Mrs. Black's death. That was sad, as well. He was suffering from an appalling carbuncle on the back of his neck. I think that my mother was dressing it for him. Only a week or two later I asked my mother one morning how Grandpa was. "The old gentleman passed away last night" was the quiet response. I really hope that I was sufficiently sympathetic towards her in her loss – although such things were new experiences at that stage and their implications not yet fully appreciated – and that I subsequently offered her at least a modicum of support. Apart from my sister – recently married and now living in Kingstanding – and I, she had to cope with things alone. Only two weeks previously my elder brother had married and was still away on honeymoon. And my father, only days afterwards, had embarked on the long voyage to Australia for a business trip, not to return until August. It must have been a very difficult and unhappy time for her while I shrugged my shoulders and got happily on with my life and school and general daily routine.

And at that point Mrs. Black and Grandpa Tovey started to fade into memory and now survive, for me, as just a few fleeting glimpses of them and their way of life together which stretched back into the early-Edwardian era of around 1906/7; and their names on ageing documents.

Chris

(Grateful acknowledgement to my late brother for his 1997 memoir and to certain BHF members for their generous help with later genealogical research).
 
Thanks - when I said "final" I really meant just for me putting High Street, Harborne to bed! A bit more to come from me about Auntie Rose and also her brother's, my other grandfather's, whereabouts, after his wife Martha Bannister's death in 1918. Certainly don't want to close down further discussion here if there is any more to emerge on this or any other aspect of this thread. It has so far been gold dust for me and I'm so grateful for that.

(My appearance here might to be a bit haphazard for a few days. Trying to get a short spell away at the moment....)

Chris
 
Thanks - when I said "final" I really meant just for me putting High Street, Harborne to bed! A bit more to come from me about Auntie Rose and also her brother's, my other grandfather's, whereabouts, after his wife Martha Bannister's death in 1918. Certainly don't want to close down further discussion here if there is any more to emerge on this or any other aspect of this thread. It has so far been gold dust for me and I'm so grateful for that.

(My appearance here might to be a bit haphazard for a few days. Trying to get a short spell away at the moment....)

Chris

I've researched your Myers ancestors a little but I'm not totally certain that the person I have for Charles Moss Myers' father is correct. So some interesting things I've discovered may not be relevant. Jewish records are not great.

Were Charles Moss Myers' parents - Henry Myers and Caroline Salmon - cousins? And did 2 of Henry Myers' siblings also marry cousins?
 
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