Banana warehouse/bbc masterchef building

[mikejee]

Have you got this map. It looks as if part of what is there now was not there in c 1886

 

[Astoness]

mike are you able to mark out on your map where the banana warehouse is please...

lyn

 

[mikejee]

Heee are not very detailed map c 1824 and for c1839, which are almost the same

 

[Seanyb1986]

Some maps i have found so far, seems our banana warehouse had another wharf behind any some adjoining buildings, these maps are also before fellows morton and clayton built their premises next door

 

[Seanyb1986]

Very interested to find the old functions of the buildings attatched to our banana/ fruit warehouse, this area was then known as warwick wharf

 

[mikejee]

Here are 3 views with present view, half imposed map and 1880s map with position of present warehouse marked in blue . I think the positioning is slightly off due to camera angle etc, and have adhusted.

 

[Astoness]

mike on the scottish maps...is this the warehouse with the rusty looking roof..for members who do not know just move the blue dot and the map will fade out to let us see what was there before

Georeferenced Maps - Map images - National Library of Scotland

 

[mikejee]

No Lyn. Have taken larger view and warehouse is marked with a blue arrow

 

[Astoness]

thanks mike knowing me with directions i was quite close then

 

[Vivienne14]

This is the area in 1852 Sean. I think Lower (Low) Fazeley Street must have later become Fazeley Street. Only one building close to (or actually on the site of the later banana warehouse) next to the canal. There doesn't yet appear to be the canal office buildings on Fazeley Street on this map although the building of that terrace must have been imminent.

My blue dot on the second map attached below is I think the position of the later warehouse. Someone please let me know if that's incorrect Thanks

Viv

 

[mikejee]

There were some small changes in the minor buildings on the site in 1902 and 1913 , as can be seen below

c1902




c1913

 

[Seanyb1986]

Im led to believe the fruit warehouse as it is was built in 1840 although it looks like it had many joining buildings that are now gone,

i may find evidence of old buildings as we strip all of the concrete that covers the site now, im interested in the positions of the old basins especially,

I'd like to see some maps 1935-1960 to see the avtivity at the fellows morton and clayton side of the site and their old basin,

i may have to dig that side of the site also as we progress, and im trying to pinpoint the old water pipes deep below ground

 

[Vivienne14]

The building Ive mentioned on the 1852 map looks to me to be where the blue dot is on the aeriel view below.If you're exploring the foundations of that building these foundations probably date back to the early days of this branch of the canal. Let's hope so ! Viv.

 

[Seanyb1986]

Yes the blue dot will be getting exposed in the future but we are redeveloping the whole site,

In your picture with the blue dot, we are basically uncovering everything that is concrete that you see, a large area

We have already started, roughly from the middle of the site outwards

There are lots of old buildings and basins that have come and gone

 

[Seanyb1986]

The banana warehouse is staying, so im interested in the whole area around the warehouse right up to fazeley street and right across to and including the fellows morton and clayton building, these areas we will be digging and uncovering what was there before

 

[Tinpot]

!731 Survey of the area with a road called Lake Meadow Hill running through. I read there were a lot of springs in the area and that it was part of the Gooch Estate.

In the photo of the site there is an interesting boundary line in the car park. Is it a watercourse or ditch?

There is an interesting document to read from Historic England about the area which is online.

 

[Seanyb1986]

Work has begun on excavating where that car park was, that whole area is now cleared and ready for stripping, lots of cobbles

 

[Astoness]

smashing photos sean...love the line of cobbles outside the warehouse

lyn

 

[Vivienne14]

This might be of interest - ignore the yellow marks, I 'borrowed ' this from here https://grand-union.org.uk/junction-works/junction-works/

It's from Ackermans Panoramic 1847. Theres a clear layout of buildings, although can't be certain of accuracy. This shows a very interesting site with the two short branches/basins of Warwick Bar making easier loading/unloading away from the main Bar. Viv.

 

[Vivienne14]

Great photos Sean.

You probably already know the site was, in the past, in use by a French cement and aggregates company (Lafarge). Viv


Image from Google Streetview 2008. Appearing on images until 2015.

 

[mikejee]

The 1845 PO directly seems to list the occupant as the Warwick & Birmingham canal Co, hence the name Warwick wharf. But the 1841 Pigot's directory lists them as at Bartholemew St, suggesting they moved there between those two directories (remembering that date is publication date, not survey date). The canal opened 1844, so that would fit.

 

[Seanyb1986]

Any pictures of fellows morton and clayton basin after 1935??

 

[Astoness]

Any pictures of fellows morton and clayton basin after 1935??

no date sean but this one of fellows morton and clayton wharf

 

[Seanyb1986]

Thats the area i'd like to see more of yes, that basin, and how far towards fazeley street it went

 

[Seanyb1986]

Im wondering did fellows morton and clayton use warwick wharf or did they build and use their own basin?? The fellows building is not yet built on this picture

 

[Astoness]

Thats the area i'd like to see more of yes, that basin, and how far towards fazeley street it went

sean cant you see how far it went by looking on this map...im not sure because i cant see a wharf named fellow morton and clayton

Georeferenced Maps - Map images - National Library of Scotland

 

[mikejee]

I'm getting a bit confused as to where the area you want is. Have you seen this page from Ray Schill, showing the Fellows Morton & clayton land use. I find the later map on the right ver confusing , especially the numbering, not all of which seems to make sense to me.

 

[Vivienne14]

I found these old papers, the sketched map below is dated 1873 but it might help with layout and position of the various buildings.These papers were from the Rowington Records link here

Warwick and Birmingham Canal

Warwick and Birmingham Canal

www.rowingtonrecords.com

Viv

 

[Tinpot]

This is an RAF photo on Historic England website. Could not find a date for it.

Is it showing a dry dock? where that line was in the carpark

 

[Seanyb1986]

Mikejee That has answered a few questions, it looks as though fellows used the whole area for a time, leasing it from the grand junction company (number 1), before building their own warehouse in 1935 (number 4) it seems numbers 4 and 5 are mixed up in the index