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Balsall Heath.
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Phil
Gone, but not forgotten.
Harley,
I remember the shop well, we used to go in there when we were about 15 and buy some of those long cigarettes that were about 10 inches long. They sold all sorts of exotic cigarettes there.
When you show your family the photo's show them this one of the Belgrave Public House on the corner. Such a shame they pulled it down, Its thirty years later and they still haven't built on the site. Ask them if they remember Harold the gaffer there about 1966 not long before they closed it.
Postied
Well done I remember that chimney stack well. I didn't think there would be much chance of getting a photo of anything else as Rylands took up most of the street (which is still there) and so was Rylands last time I was down there in a new factory now though.
pmc1947
I remember the shop well, we used to go in there when we were about 15 and buy some of those long cigarettes that were about 10 inches long. They sold all sorts of exotic cigarettes there.
When you show your family the photo's show them this one of the Belgrave Public House on the corner. Such a shame they pulled it down, Its thirty years later and they still haven't built on the site. Ask them if they remember Harold the gaffer there about 1966 not long before they closed it.
Postied
Well done I remember that chimney stack well. I didn't think there would be much chance of getting a photo of anything else as Rylands took up most of the street (which is still there) and so was Rylands last time I was down there in a new factory now though.
pmc1947
Phil
Gone, but not forgotten.
Ernie,
I suppose it is possible that Hadyn St could be a different street completely. Its a different spelling and I have never heard of Balsall Heath being part of Kings Norton, Worcester yes. There again I'm no historian,
As you can see from this little extract from Carl Chinns book (I'm sure he won't mind). Haden St was named after two brothers called Haden so its not a modern version of Haydn.
I would make further enquiries if I were you.
Phil
I suppose it is possible that Hadyn St could be a different street completely. Its a different spelling and I have never heard of Balsall Heath being part of Kings Norton, Worcester yes. There again I'm no historian,
As you can see from this little extract from Carl Chinns book (I'm sure he won't mind). Haden St was named after two brothers called Haden so its not a modern version of Haydn.
I would make further enquiries if I were you.
Phil
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Haden Street.
pmc1947. Phil I have my great Grandfather on both Census's for the variations of the Haden Street spelling and I have come to realise that a lot of spelling mistakes and other anomalies are in past records. I accept this as I have found him on both records so I believe the street is one of the same.
To explain it in a more meaningful way, each time a Census was taken it was a different person and they did not always have full knowledge of the area or the dialect which is why mistakes were made.
pmc1947. Phil I have my great Grandfather on both Census's for the variations of the Haden Street spelling and I have come to realise that a lot of spelling mistakes and other anomalies are in past records. I accept this as I have found him on both records so I believe the street is one of the same.
To explain it in a more meaningful way, each time a Census was taken it was a different person and they did not always have full knowledge of the area or the dialect which is why mistakes were made.
Pomgolian
Kiwi Brummie
pmc I must agree with Ernie when he says past records were often written down in the way the writer heard the words spoken (Phonically). A lot of people back then were unable to read, or write, so those who could took the records and wrote them as they thought they should be, or as said before as they heard them.
There was not too much emphasis put on spelling back then as there was in our day (Can't say to day... as this generation seem to have gone backwards as far as spelling is concerned). Even ages can differ by one or two years, as folk often couldn't do maths either, or had that many children that they lost count of who was who.
Also in the past like Aston, Kings Norton covered vast areas of what we now know as Birmingham. In fact the Aston area at one time was much bigger than Birmingham and some areas like Ladywood were even in Staffordshire. The boundaries have changed many time over the years and will no doubt change again in the future.
Hope this information helps clear up any misunderstandings.
Pom :angel:
There was not too much emphasis put on spelling back then as there was in our day (Can't say to day... as this generation seem to have gone backwards as far as spelling is concerned). Even ages can differ by one or two years, as folk often couldn't do maths either, or had that many children that they lost count of who was who.
Also in the past like Aston, Kings Norton covered vast areas of what we now know as Birmingham. In fact the Aston area at one time was much bigger than Birmingham and some areas like Ladywood were even in Staffordshire. The boundaries have changed many time over the years and will no doubt change again in the future.
Hope this information helps clear up any misunderstandings.
Pom :angel:
Phil
Gone, but not forgotten.
Pomgolian
As my family came from Balsall Heath I knew that it has originally been part of Worcester even in to the 20th Century. Its just that I had never heard it being refered to as part of Kings Norton and I had never been given a reason to enquire.
As you say, it is probably quite true, and as my interest has now been tweaked. I will check it out for future reference.
Phil
As my family came from Balsall Heath I knew that it has originally been part of Worcester even in to the 20th Century. Its just that I had never heard it being refered to as part of Kings Norton and I had never been given a reason to enquire.
As you say, it is probably quite true, and as my interest has now been tweaked. I will check it out for future reference.
Phil
Pomgolian
Kiwi Brummie
Here you go pmc:
Directory: Pigot
Page: 877
King's Norton
Created 1st July 1837. Abolished 1st January 1925 (incorporated into Birmingham North and Birmingham South districts).
Mainly in Worcestershire, but included parts of Staffordshire and Warwickshire.
Sub-districts : Balsall Heath; Edgbaston; Harborne; Kings Norton.
GRO volumes : XVIII (1837-51); 6c (1852-1924).
Pom :angel:
Directory: Pigot
Page: 877
King's Norton
Created 1st July 1837. Abolished 1st January 1925 (incorporated into Birmingham North and Birmingham South districts).
Mainly in Worcestershire, but included parts of Staffordshire and Warwickshire.
Sub-districts : Balsall Heath; Edgbaston; Harborne; Kings Norton.
GRO volumes : XVIII (1837-51); 6c (1852-1924).
Pom :angel:
Chandos school
I went to Chandos rd school as well.
It would have been about 1953 to 1956.
I was then transferred to the Main St annexe as I lived off the Startford rd.
Were you at Chandos rd when Mr Wakelam was the headmaster?
I always remember a big picture in the hall of St George slaying the dragon.
I used to go to the Alhambra cinema on saturday mornings and on the
way home towards Camp Hill would stop at a cafe in Stratford place for
a penny dip - bread absolutely soaked in bacon fat and other unhealthy things.
I went to Chandos rd school as well.
It would have been about 1953 to 1956.
I was then transferred to the Main St annexe as I lived off the Startford rd.
Were you at Chandos rd when Mr Wakelam was the headmaster?
I always remember a big picture in the hall of St George slaying the dragon.
I used to go to the Alhambra cinema on saturday mornings and on the
way home towards Camp Hill would stop at a cafe in Stratford place for
a penny dip - bread absolutely soaked in bacon fat and other unhealthy things.
dymoke strett
hi everyone what brilliant stories you tell of growing up in dymoke street.my mom and her family lived in conybere st then dymokest(or the other way round)and went to upperhighgate girls school.she has some great stories about the triangle picture house she once found a tenna on the floor and picked it up when she turned round there was a young lad standing there so she asked him if he had droppedit yes he replied and took it off her and gave her a slap in the face and called her a bloody idiot and said it wasnt his but he was having it anyway.my moms name is hazel wright and her sisters were maureen ,christine,pamela and their brother was raymond
hi everyone what brilliant stories you tell of growing up in dymoke street.my mom and her family lived in conybere st then dymokest(or the other way round)and went to upperhighgate girls school.she has some great stories about the triangle picture house she once found a tenna on the floor and picked it up when she turned round there was a young lad standing there so she asked him if he had droppedit yes he replied and took it off her and gave her a slap in the face and called her a bloody idiot and said it wasnt his but he was having it anyway.my moms name is hazel wright and her sisters were maureen ,christine,pamela and their brother was raymond
hi everyone, it,s nice to here so many sured memorie,s of the same place,here,s a question what year did the chip shop in gooch st burned down.i know it was the 60 s any answer,s. we left st martin,s flat,s in 1970, we when to kinver croft the new house,s. my grandparent,s ran the LAMP TAVERN in Mc donald st [maria & jack].dose anybody have photo,s of rea st school please let me know. christy
hi ,pmc11947, ok you are right, it was on the junction i was thinking of mc donald st ,facing the queens pub & it was barford st, there is a plaque inside the LAMP of former owner,s, going back afew year,s,can you help me how to put photo,s on this thread as i have only been on the P,C A MONTH & HAVE GOT SO MANY PHOTO,S TO SHARE, many thank,s christy
Hi Robert my grandmother was a Harrison before marriage and the family lived in Vincent Crescent. any relation do you think? Malta.
Phil
Gone, but not forgotten.
Christy
I am no expert at this, there are others on here that would be of much better assistance than me. If you have scanned your photo's to your PC then all you have to do is click the manage attachments button on the reply to thread page and follow the instructions.
Phil
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Catkin
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I am putting this on here because i am not sure where to put it , but, i hope it is of some help to some-one researching their family.
Earnest John Burford died 1917 ran a laundry at 211 Edward road Balsall Heath, The business appears to be taken over in 1923 by Fredrick Deeley the owner of a chain of laundries in that area...Cat
Earnest John Burford died 1917 ran a laundry at 211 Edward road Balsall Heath, The business appears to be taken over in 1923 by Fredrick Deeley the owner of a chain of laundries in that area...Cat
The Fish & Chip Shop was Kench's the fire was the late 60s they reopened in Longmore St. next to the Laundry.
hi, malta,, are you the sister of jane,ruth,& trudi as i grow up with them in st,martins flats. i know trudi was with my cousin noel & do not know if they are still together as i have left highgate 25+ year,s but still have great memorie,s. i have tried to contact roger Mcgauley about the tape but nobody seem,s to know were he is.ANY idea what year the film was made. all the best,, christy
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catherine
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It's been fascinating finding this website. I lived in cheddar Road from 1955 until 1972 and so many memories came flooding back on reading these entries. Here are some of my recollections; the creaky floorboards in Woolworths on Gooch Street and the glass display windows. Also the broken biscuits you could buy there. The back to back houses on Clevedon Road and Dennis and Mary Henn, the greengrocers towards the end of that road. Pinnocks on the corner from which we furnished our house. In fact I still have the 'teenage bedroom suite' my father bought from there in 1964. So trendy at the time! I can still picture The Luxor, next to Pinnocks I believe and many was the time we'd walk up from Gooch Street, cross over Balsall Heath Road and then up through Jakeman Walk to get to the bottom of Cheddar Road. I can also recall The Wallace pub somewhere along there.
Obviously living on Cheddar Road, the park was our playground (those were the days of the Park Keeper) and we would spend all day there. There was a lethal witches hat, rocking horse, a see saw and a roundabout as well as the swings. I remember too the black pitch-it seemed to be some sort of clinker and wasn't nice to fall on.
I recall too, Joe Evans, the news agent on the corner of Clevedon Road and Cox Street. just a bit further along on Cox Street (or was it Cox Street West?) was Miason Hilda, the hairdresser. Then, almost next to her salon was that large derelict site (site of a church I think, which stretched from there to the back of the houses on Court Road). It may have been a bomb site which were still common in the 60's. There is still one today on the corner of Cheddar Road and Court Road. Or at least we knew it as a bomb site( or bomb peck,as I've heard it called). It might have been nothing of the sort.
Anyway, enough of my ramblings for now,
Catherine.
Obviously living on Cheddar Road, the park was our playground (those were the days of the Park Keeper) and we would spend all day there. There was a lethal witches hat, rocking horse, a see saw and a roundabout as well as the swings. I remember too the black pitch-it seemed to be some sort of clinker and wasn't nice to fall on.
I recall too, Joe Evans, the news agent on the corner of Clevedon Road and Cox Street. just a bit further along on Cox Street (or was it Cox Street West?) was Miason Hilda, the hairdresser. Then, almost next to her salon was that large derelict site (site of a church I think, which stretched from there to the back of the houses on Court Road). It may have been a bomb site which were still common in the 60's. There is still one today on the corner of Cheddar Road and Court Road. Or at least we knew it as a bomb site( or bomb peck,as I've heard it called). It might have been nothing of the sort.
Anyway, enough of my ramblings for now,
Catherine.
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harley
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please could you tell me when the photo was taken of the pub in the picture ballsall heath thanks .pmc.
the silver fox
master brummie
Hi Catherine,
My mother used to have her hair done at Maison Hilda in Cox Street West, but may have been Lincoln Street as I am not certain at this moment wher the one became the other. The Church was St Thomas-in-the-Moors, demolished in your time there. There was a bomb site that had been Lincoln Street Motors, which through from Lincoln Street to Court Road. That firm did move to premises in Cox Street West and we used to hang around the flashy American cars that they sold.
My mother used to have her hair done at Maison Hilda in Cox Street West, but may have been Lincoln Street as I am not certain at this moment wher the one became the other. The Church was St Thomas-in-the-Moors, demolished in your time there. There was a bomb site that had been Lincoln Street Motors, which through from Lincoln Street to Court Road. That firm did move to premises in Cox Street West and we used to hang around the flashy American cars that they sold.
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catherine
Guest
Hi Silver Fox
Ah yes, the memories come flooding back! I'd completely forgotten about Lincoln Street and of course Lincoln Street motors - I remember the plastic bunting always flapping!
Ah yes, the memories come flooding back! I'd completely forgotten about Lincoln Street and of course Lincoln Street motors - I remember the plastic bunting always flapping!
Catherine
There is a picture of cox st west corner I posted on the upper cox st thread which might seem familiar. I attach 3 others of the area, all taken either shortly before or about the time you moved. One of clevedon rd corner, one of corner conybere st and one showing part of woolworths and the gooch st post office
Hope they are of interest, though of course they are all late and don't cover the best of times for the area
Mike
There is a picture of cox st west corner I posted on the upper cox st thread which might seem familiar. I attach 3 others of the area, all taken either shortly before or about the time you moved. One of clevedon rd corner, one of corner conybere st and one showing part of woolworths and the gooch st post office
Hope they are of interest, though of course they are all late and don't cover the best of times for the area
Mike
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catherine
Guest
Yes, thats exactly as I remember those places in their final years. I'm pretty certain that the building on the corner of Clevedon Road was Dr Roses when I was little. When he retired we then went to Dr Kahtan just further along from us on Cheddar Road. When we went to Dr Roses I recall the waiting room being that room on the corner with high windows you couldn't see out of. The pictures are amazing and they are how I recall the area during my seven years getting the 48 bus to town to get to school when it was being pulled down and rebuilt. Although I left in '72 to go to college, I'm frequently back there as my mum still lives in Cheddar Road (now there's a road with a story to tell!) However, I recall how it used to be as I was away for many of the changes. Thank you for sharing the photos.
Catherine, Your post mentioned my cousins Mary & Denise Henn. I'm Gillian Henn. Do you remember my grandfather who ran the greengrocer's shop in Clevedon Road with my uncle Dennis. I found a picture of Clevedon Road which shows Dennis outside the shop getting into his car but I'm not sure if I can post it because of copyright. Do you remember Pamela Bates who also lived in Cheddar Road?
Jill
Jill