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Re: Mr William Adams

Hi Ron, Not getting very far at the moment. it all seems to fold at the death of William Adams, and then his wife. I was hoping for a reply to a message I sent through the ancestry site. But nothing returned as of this moment. I am only skirting the surface of any search, because of my lack of knowledge on how to get it. Thanks to a few on here, they have ,like yourself been very helpfull.

So my partner and myself, will keep pursuing, one never knows what will come up. One good thing me being from London, I got a good days viewing of Sparkbrook and Moseley out of it. No Comment.
 
Re: Mr William Adams

Hi roy
I think that expalins it. I was looking at before WW1. The 1921 Kellys does not mention it, but the 1932 Kellys (the next one that I have) lists William Adams Ltd, manufacturing silversmiths, 207-211 Barr St. they are there till at least 1946, but in 1949 have extended a bit to 207-213 Barr St. They stay there till at least 1956, but in 1962-69 they are at 52 Gt Hampton St. However 1971-73 (the last Kellys) they are Adams .W Ltd, silverware, 40 Vittoria St.
As to earlier existence, I think it extremely unlikely that thye would not be in the directories. Therefore there are two possibilities, that the firm was not then in birmingham, or that it had a different name. I can make no suggestions as to the first posibility, though the wiliam that began this thread (if it is the same one) did apparently come from sheffield (see earlier post), and this is also a centre for silverware. As to the other posibility, in the 1921 Kellys, there is mention of a W.J.Adams, which just says “see Candelant & Adams”. Candelant & Adams are listed as a 121 Branston St since before 1890, but are still at 121 in 1932, when William Adams is in existence, so I think thisn unlikely. I think the firm being in another town is more likely. If you want any earlier dates for Candelent & Adams then let me know
Mike

Hi Mike, Not sure if this is relevant but in the 1905 Kellys there is an ADAMS, William; Gold Pencil Case Maker at 211 Barr Street//numbers start again from 219 Barr Street
 
Re: Mr William Adams

Yes Lindyloo, I think it is definitely relevent. It has made me go back and check the earlier directories. Not sure what I did before , probably the mix up with the numbering confused me (maybe I was tired), but William Adams Manufacturing was there earlier.

1903-08 William Adams gold pencil case maker 211 Barr St.
1910-13 William Adams Manufacturing, manufacturing silversmiths 207-211 Barr St.
1915-21 William Adams Manufacturing, manufacturing silversmiths 207-211 Barr St.
 
Re: Mr William Adams

Glad to have helped Mike :) ...and in doing so I took a closer look at the Information on Birmingham, section in Kelly's rather than heading straight for the streets..I hadnt looked before but have now realised what I was missing out on.. :)
 
Re: Mr William Adams

Hi Suzanne,

I have received a message from the Great Grand-Son of William Adams. he has provided a few details etc, but the family tree was private.and he did not go into it in depth
But at least I am in contact, thanks for your help. 5 stars to you.

barrye
 
Re: Mr William Adams

Hi Barrye

So glad you have made contact with a relation to William Adams:)

regards
Suzanne
 
Re: Mr William Adams

Thread: Mr William Adams


Barrye started this thread some time ago, with the avowed intention of finding and contacting the descendents of 'Mr William Adams JP'.
I too am interested in William Adams, because he made my life possible.
I was born in 'Sorrento', not the romantic resort overlooking the Bay of Naples, but the Sorrento Maternity Home, which had been his family home until he, or possibly his widow, turned it into an institution for the poor and needy.


Many people have contributed helpful advice and information to this enquiry. The thread has become difficult to follow, so, as a little thank you to those willing helpers I have prepared this precis and deductions :


c.1858 William Adams was born in Sheffield, Yorkshire.


In 1865, the electroplating company William Adams Ltd. was established in Sheffield, but it is not known if the founder, William Adams, was the man Barrye wants to track; or his father; or someone unrelated.


In 1871, William Adams future wife, Martha Jane Rogerson, and her two sisters, were silver burnishers and her father a silversmith.


In 1879 William Adams was married to Martha Jane Rogerson (also born c1858 in Sheffield, Yorkshire). in Eccleshall, Bierlow, Yorkshire. William and Martha spent their honeymoon in Sorrento. One can only assume that it was probably in 1879 but, on a clerk's wages ? Or, perhaps, it was paid for by parents.


1881 Wm was a Clerk, living at 60 Winter Street, Sheffield with wife
and 1 child (Mabel ? born in Sheffield in 1881). In Victorian times some clerks were powerful and important people in companies, but William Adams might have been a humble pen pusher.


By 1881 William Adams' father in law, William Rogerson, was an insurance agent & grocer.


1885 Esther Adams, was born in Sheffield


1890 Hilda Adams was born in Sparkbrook Birmingham


1891 - William Adams was living in Inglewood, Holdenhurst, Bournemouth, Hampshire with his wife. Described as 'visitors in the Rogers' household'. Wm (Adams - but might have been Rogerson ?) was an 'Ins Co Manager'.


In 1901 William Rogerson was a Retired Insurance Agent.
At some time after its establishment in 1865, the William Adams Ltd. company was taken over by Henry Jenkins and Sons Ltd., although when is not known, which had as its address 40 Vittoria St. Birmingham - apparently an area of earlier patriotic fervour - Mikejee tells us that No 203 Barr St. was the Trafalgar public house. The registered office was changed to 40 Vittoria St. about 1971. Both companies have ceased trading.


The William Adams family appears to have moved to Birmingham between Esther's birth in 1885 and Hilda's in 1890.


William Adams Ltd. appears to have gone from the Sheffield crown hallmark to the Birmingham anchor in 1901.


In 1901 - William Adams was living in 'Sorrento', a large detached house, 15 Wake Green Road, Birmingham, with wife and children (Mabel, Gertrude, Esther and Hilda ?).
He was recorded as a 'Retired insurance co. manager'


In 1907, as 'President of Sparkbrook Club, William Adams commisioned a Silversmith in the Birmingham Jewellery Quarter, Vaughton & Sons in Hockley, acclaimed as making the FA Cup Trophy 1907, to make a trophy for the club.


By 1911 - at Sorrento, 15 Wake Green Road, Martha Jane Adams was a widow. She died in Birmingham in 1930. William Adams appears to have died between 1907 and 1911.


'Sorrento' was put up for sale during the Great War and Neville Chamberlain bought it in 1916 as a home for disabled soldiers mainly paraplegics.
It was taken over by Birmingham City in 1929 as a maternity home for women on low income.


Deductions


It appears likely that :


The founders of William Adams Ltd. and William Adams JP
were the same Adams family.
They relocated from Sheffield to Birmingham
between 1885 and 1890.
The company was sold to the Birmingham-based
company Henry Jenkins and Sons Ltd.,
possibly, between about 1880, when William Adams was in Sheffield, and 1890, when he had moved to Birmingham. At this time both the Adams and Rogersons had, apparently, entered the insurance business. However, the registered office was not changed to that of Henry Jenkins and Sons Ltd. until about 1971.
William Adams died between 1907 and 1911.
The Adams family home 'Sorrento' became an institution for the poor and needy, then a home for disabled soldiers, mainly paraplegics; a maternity home for women on low income; and was then demolished to make space for a housing development.
Martha Jane Adams died, in Birmingham, in 1930.


Success


Alison Merry is a descendant and appears in a family tree shown in 'Ancestry' and Barrye has been contacted by a grandson of William Adams.
I know a lot more about my benefctor.


Thank you.
 
Re: Mr William Adams

Hi Ron, that was a good deduction, about William Adams.

Just a few more details. William Adams was into Insurance, he started a branch of his Fathers Company in Birmingham.

He died on 21st April 1909 and his widow moved from sorrento to Abingdon Lodge in Wake Green Road. with daughter Hilda.

I have been told, there is no family information about William Adams being a silversmith.

. I have also added a bit of more information, as regards W Adams Father. Which I took from a book about the Reffuge Assurance Co. It seems he was also a very astute person.


Henry Adams,who was born at Hollins End near Sheffield,on March 3rd 1836,The youngest of of a large family who,at the age of nine,commenced work in a Yorkshire coal mine.His Family,to improve their circumstances, moved frequently,living at Masborough,Intake and Wombell Main Colliery,near Barnsley.

Henry Adams had none of the educational advantages enjoyed by the Youth of today,but like so many of the early Refuge Members,he was a devoted Methodist and received his early training at Sunday School.He was a thoughtful man.and working in the mines man under the conditions of those days,the need of the working man to save and protect himself and his family against the misfortunes of accident,disease and death was very apparant to him.

By the time he left the mines at the age of 27 in 1863 to join forces with James Proctor,he had already begun to form his own little local society in South Yorkshire;and in the years that followed until his death in 1906,he successfully developed the business of the Refuge not only in South Yorkshire,but in the Counties of Derby,Lincoln and Nottingham,While his son William Adams pioneered the business in the Birmingham area.
 
This thread came up at random as I am trying to find out the story of a wee medal I found in my back garden. Have incidentally been on this site before as my mother was born in Birmingham and have been tracing her family history.

Anway, the medal is .925 silver, Birmingham assay office and the makers mark, I believe, is William Adams with a date mark for 1905 as far as I can make out. The medal is presented to a John Eadie who, I believe, was the first owner of our house in 1938- we are the third owners. Lovely little thing.. might have to take a metal detector to the back garden! If anyone has any info on William Adams' work, i'd be interested.
 
Hello,

Thanks for your message, I think the piece of silver you have, does not link to the William Adams in my thread. William Adams was a Insurance Company manager, and the only link with silver was the silver trophy he donated to a billiards club in 1907.

The is a web site about silversmiths and the essay signs they used, I got a lot of information through them.

Good luck with your search, as regards to your find.

Barrye
 
Re: Mr William Adams

Thanks again Suzanne, How do you come by this information. I have tried the ancestry sites, but get lost in all the jargon. If you could put me onto the right site as regards the ancestry follow up. would appreciate it. barrye

I attended Dean Close School in the fifties

One of my contemporaries was James Morris Adams whose family owned William Adams Silversmiths in Birmingham

His elder brother Richard attended nearby Cheltenham College

Richard was in the Army Bob Sleigh team

The family lived in Treddington near Shipston on Stour

Richard married one of two sisters who attended St James’s Malvern: the other sister married Cecil Parkinson

Richard and James’ mother lived to be over a hundred - a fearless punter on the ge gees

Hope this is of help
 
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