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Phil
Gone, but not forgotten.
Rupert
I haven't got a date, but it doesn't look long after the trams stopped running, it's certainly after the war because if you look down the left hand side of the fork to Ashted Row, Holbrooks has gone and it looks like J Saville Gordon has already moved into the old Gosta Green Market and I don't think that happened much before the early 60's.
I haven't got a date, but it doesn't look long after the trams stopped running, it's certainly after the war because if you look down the left hand side of the fork to Ashted Row, Holbrooks has gone and it looks like J Saville Gordon has already moved into the old Gosta Green Market and I don't think that happened much before the early 60's.
st.evenlucy
master brummie
It was between duke Street and Brueton Street. as far as I know there was no entrance and no exit, just a tiny piece of grass fenced off with metal railings. no one ever went in there. I passed it every day on my from Curzon Street over Coleshill Street on the way to Bishop Ryder School in Gem Street
guilbert53
master brummie
As far as I know the lock keepers cottage is staying.
There are plans to built some buildings (office or flats cant remember) around there, alongside the ring road and near the canal.
Interesting stuff here.
This from my ever expanding pile of references for the area, firstly from William Hutton's Perambulations:
"We now cross the Lichfield road, down Duke-street, then the Coleshill road at the A B house. From thence down the meadows, to Cooper's mill; up the river to the foot of Deritend bridge; and then turn sharp to the right, keeping the course of a drain in the form of a sickle, through John a Dean's hole, into Digbeth"
(https://www.gutenberg.org/files/13926/13926-h/13926-h.htm)
His route around Brum largely following the then Birmingham boundary.
This allegedly from Pevsner:
"1675, Of about that date were A-B House (Aston and Birmingham) beside the bridge, raised on piles above the floods, and two Dutch-gabled houses:"
The latter referring to Cooper's Farm and Ravenhurst House
This from my ever expanding pile of references for the area, firstly from William Hutton's Perambulations:
"We now cross the Lichfield road, down Duke-street, then the Coleshill road at the A B house. From thence down the meadows, to Cooper's mill; up the river to the foot of Deritend bridge; and then turn sharp to the right, keeping the course of a drain in the form of a sickle, through John a Dean's hole, into Digbeth"
(https://www.gutenberg.org/files/13926/13926-h/13926-h.htm)
His route around Brum largely following the then Birmingham boundary.
This allegedly from Pevsner:
"1675, Of about that date were A-B House (Aston and Birmingham) beside the bridge, raised on piles above the floods, and two Dutch-gabled houses:"
The latter referring to Cooper's Farm and Ravenhurst House
st.evenlucy
master brummie
Phil, just had a rethink and asked Mom about the smallest park, after looking at the map again and remembering my walk to school, , I used to come up Princess street and the grass was to the left of Duke Street, not down toward Brueton Street, as I said it was in the last Post.
Phil
Gone, but not forgotten.
I'm sorry St evenlucy, but I still can't remember it. So you are saying it was on Prospect Row then, well these are all the photos I have of that road and I don't see it on any of them. Could it just have been a bomb site that was left or grassed over? Or was it an official City of Birmingham Park?
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st.evenlucy
master brummie
Love these pictures. on the third one, if middle right is Princess Street, the shoe repairers was on the corner and on the opposite side would be Duke street with a wool shop on the corner, then where the bay window juts out, could that be low wall with metal railings round the small piece of grass, ( next to Venns junk shop) that we were always told was the smallest Park in Brum. I vaguely remember an article about it in a local paper possibly the Mercury. Wish we could clarify this , maybe Brumgums Dad will remember more about it. I hope so .
brumgum
Proud to be a Brummie!
Dad says the wool shop was Dixons and Sadlers was the shoe repairs and the park was as you say at the start of AB row next to the junk shop.
st.evenlucy
master brummie
Thanks brumgum, I feel a bit better now I know I'm not imagining it. Best wishes to your Dad. Saw uncle Maurice today and Doug goes to see him every Saturday and a few of them play cards.
These photo's were on here before but have not seen them lately. Anyway one shows the plaque but am not able to determine which corner house it is. One picture shows the opposite side of Coleshill St. or whatever it is. I think the plaque must be on the east corner of Princess St., that seems to be where the boundary line is. Actually. if you follow the boundary line, it seems to meander all over the place and suggest that it follows leats and tailraces of old mills; and rivers. I think that was the procedure. Maybe more permanent markers than anything else. Sad to see it all wiped clean is it not. Just old worn out buildings but they anchored our lives for many years. Now just the plaque remaining and the little girls would be about 88 now.
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brumgum
Proud to be a Brummie!
Dad sends his regards to all the Alberici clan and went on to say it was Princes's Row and not Princess Street!
brumgum
Proud to be a Brummie!
Phil
Gone, but not forgotten.
Re: AB Row
Getting back to this Smallest Park thing I think after a message from member "TCWARD" (Terry) I can put the vagueness concerning the location to rest. If you look at the two maps one 1902 and the other 1952 you will see on the 1953 map a location marked with a red X. This according to Terry was the location of the park, on the 1902 map this is marked as a public house. The pub was the Angel and it was located at sixty three and a half Coleshill St. OK so we have located the correct location, but I still don't remember it.
Getting back to this Smallest Park thing I think after a message from member "TCWARD" (Terry) I can put the vagueness concerning the location to rest. If you look at the two maps one 1902 and the other 1952 you will see on the 1953 map a location marked with a red X. This according to Terry was the location of the park, on the 1902 map this is marked as a public house. The pub was the Angel and it was located at sixty three and a half Coleshill St. OK so we have located the correct location, but I still don't remember it.
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st.evenlucy
master brummie
Re: AB Row
well done Terry! after all these years it seems the mystery is solved. Iv'e found all this information very interesting, thanks to all who have contributed . Lets see if we can find another mystery to solve!
well done Terry! after all these years it seems the mystery is solved. Iv'e found all this information very interesting, thanks to all who have contributed . Lets see if we can find another mystery to solve!
TCWARDPLUMBERS
master brummie
Re: AB Row
hi phil, if you look at the site where the pub is marked,go two buildings down towards duke st , you will see an opening,thats the park.it is the leftside of venns junk shop no 62 .phil i think where the wallis on your tram pic is the pub site,it was alll ways a bomb site to us terry
hi phil, if you look at the site where the pub is marked,go two buildings down towards duke st , you will see an opening,thats the park.it is the leftside of venns junk shop no 62 .phil i think where the wallis on your tram pic is the pub site,it was alll ways a bomb site to us terry
