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Many of my pub pics are my own but I also scan and download from time to time. Unfortunately my labelling is not as thorough as it should be and I would be grateful if someone could identify these two for me. Thanks

Bob
 

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glaciermint

The first one looks like "The Wallace PH" on the corner of Balsall Heath Rd and Longmore St. The second one I am not sure of, but it could be the one "wales" is looking for "The Vine" in Villa St Lozells. The only trouble is I don't think it was a corner house, best ask her she might know.

Phil
 
Thanks Phil. Over to you Wales. I've got it labelled as Vine 48 but no idea which Vine and I don't think 48 means 1948 looking at the clothing - more like 18.

Bob
 
glaciermint

Concerning the other pub, I was wondering if it could be The Vine Inn Ladywood in Rawlins St on the T junction with Rushton St.

I believe it is still standing today, perhaps the next time I am passing that way I'll check it out for you unless anyone has a memory of it and can confirm it.

Phil
 
We used to swap buses and catch the No. 8 to Sparkbrook at a pub called The Vine.
Ann
 
Pete said the second one looks like the Widdows on Aston road north by the brewery. The Vine I think we pass on the way to Lattifs?. Looks like Thompsons butchers by the Widdows. A lot of the drays from Ansells used it. Bye. Jean.
 
Ann B said:
We used to swap buses and catch the No. 8 to Sparkbrook at a pub called The Vine.
Ann
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Ann B

The Vine on the number 8 route was more Small Heath than Sparkbrook and was situated on a segment of land betwwen Green Lane and Grange Rd that fronted Victoria st which was a continuation of Muntz St.

Although it is a possibility I remember that Vine, as a brickwork fronted place and not rendered as in the photo, but anything is possible and pubs do change over the years.

Phil
 
Thanks Phil,

That's the Vine I was referring to. I couldn't quite place it.

Ann
 
The Widdows

Gee Gee Jean said:
Pete said the second one looks like the Widdows on Aston road north by the brewery. The Vine I think we pass on the way to Lattifs?. Looks like Thompsons butchers by the Widdows. A lot of the drays from Ansells used it. Bye. Jean.
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Astonium, This photo is a thread titled "2 to identify", it has been named as the Widdows.
 
Hi lencops,
I dont think it is The Widows that Astonion was referring to if thats what you mean. It certainly isnt Lichfield Road (I will stand corrected) but I also think that Astonions Widow wasnt on a corner?
 
The first pub is the "Wallace" on the corner of Balsall Heath rd without a doubt. Here is another picture of the shop on the opposite corner where you can see the name of the road ( Longmore St) that Balsall Heath Rd crosses you can even see the Luxor Cinema in the background.

Phil.

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Never doubted you for a moment Phil! This Vine is a problem though. It could have been demolished or rebuilt pre war in which case we'll all struggle unless someone comes across the original pic. Thanks for everyone's efforts so far
Bob
 
Hi Len ,And Dave ,
First Of All Len,Dave Is Quite Right ,It Was,nt The Widdo,s On Lichfield Rd
As You Thought ,And The Widdowers Was Never On The Aston Rd North
Which Was Along The Lichfield Rd Heading Towards The City,It Was The Lichfield Rd Was The Postion Of The Widdowers ,And Also The Aston Road
North Began At The Traffic Lights On Aston Cross Commencing George Jelfs Tea Rooms And Oppersite That There Was A Chemist ,-That FromThat PostionWas The Beging Of The Aston Road North And Also Thats Where I Got Knocked Down Out Side The ASTORIA Pic House ,So I Know Aston Rd North Like The Back Of My Hand,Like The Lichfield Rd Where I Was Born And Dragged Up From Birth ,I Can Give You The Run Down Of Every Shop AND Pub On That Lichfield Rd And My Old Man Worked All The Pubs Around The ASTON Cross As A Rellief,Until He Got To The Golden Cross Even Then He Stood In For The Other Surronding Pubs For Them I Think Jean Got A Little Bit Mixed Up Partly Because She Said The Vine Was Towards Town ,The Vine Pub Is In The Oppersite Direction Going To Ward The ASTON Station End Its Actualy Oppersite The The Victoria Rd End Where The Forty Bus Used To Come Up From Gravely Hill And Head Towards Six Ways Aston ,Oppersite The Vicyoria End On The Lichfield Rd And At The Top Of A Deviding Street Of Sandy Lane And Park St Is The Vine Pub ,
Her Husband Pete , Is QUITE Right Because The Ansells Brewery Is Only
Yards From The Widdowers Arms And Quite Rightly He is The Dray men Used It Alot My Uncle Frank Used To Be A Dray Man There ,At Ansells Till He Died ,And In The Days Of The Horsee And Cart They Would aPull And Give Them There Feed Buckets Before They Wennt Into The Widdowers ArmsAnd Had One Them Selves, Then They Would Walk Back Down The
Lichfield Rd FromAston Cross Towards Our House Which Was Yards From The Widdowers Arms And Turn Left Up To Vicarage Rd And Put Them In There Stables For The Night I Would Get Up Early Every Morning To Help The Post man To Push His Bike Around The Block Just To See The Dray Man Bringing Out These Big Horese And I Would Still Push And Deliver The Post With The Post man All The Way Down Lichfield Rd To Salforfd Bridge Be He Told Me To Go Home Now AND gO tO sCHOOL Which I Did
If You Walk Up The Licgfield Rd From The Vine Pub , The Next Pub You Would Encounter Was AN Akinsons House Pub And That Was The Gun Makers
 
Glaciermint

This Vine Inn is giving me a few problems, I have found 11 Vine Public Houses within the limits of Birmingham since the early 1900’s, forgive me if I have missed any. I will list them here along with my comments on each. I have photo’s of some, some I have found on the web and some I have not found at all, ergo it must be one of the ones I could not find.

Vine Inn King Edwards Rd. I don’t think its this one
Vine Lichfield Rd I don’t think its this one
Vine Inn High St Harbourne. I don’t think its this one
Vine Inn Summer Lane I don’t think its this one
Vine Inn Rawlins St. I don’t think its this one
Vine Carver St. I don’t think it this one
Vine Inn Bracebridge St. A possibility a corner location but I have not seen a picture
Vine Alma St A possibility a corner location but I have not seen a picture
Vine Inn Newtown Row. A possibility a corner location but I have not seen a picture
Vine Inn Villa St. Not a corner location and have not seen a picture I don't think its this one.
Vine Inn Green Lane Going on personal knowledge I would say no, but I wouldn’t count it out

I think it is a choice between Bracebridge St and Newtown Row, you could also consider Alma St but that is not an Inn.

I hope this is of some help to you.

You will find a picture of The Vine Carver St on this link

https://www.winsongreentobrookfields.co.uk/streets-1-1/





Phil

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Astonian. I got the direction wron I was trying to put down what Pete was telling me and got it all a... upwards. What was uncle Franks last name as my brother was there from when he left school. Bye. JEAN.
 
Astonian - Have you seen this one of the Victoria. A bit before your time I know but a great pic I think
Bob
 
Well done for the searches Phil. I've a feeling its going to bug you now like it has me! You mentioned the Vine in Edgbaston which I thought a possibility as that was a Holts pub (there is still a lovely etched Holts window) but it doesn't look right.
Bob
 
HI BOB ,
What Year Was That Picture Roughly Any Idea Around What Era Do You Think
And Do You Think It May Have Been The Widdowers Arms ?.
The Widdowers Arms I Recall Was Around The Forty,s On Wards And It Was
A Dark Tiled Cerramic Tiles Top To BottomThats Why I Am Sceptical To Being The Widdowers Arm, I Have Asked My Son To Go All The Way Back And Search The Hard Drive And Look For A Picture Of It ,Co,s When I First Enrolled Im Sure It Was Postie Or Cromwell Did Afew Years Ago Did Actualy Down The Right One ,
If You Can Tell Me Thats The One On Lichfield Rd And What Year I Will Use Iy AS AReference For My Son , Many Thanks Both For Your Perseverane On This One
And For Being PATIENCE With Me On This Subject ,
Whilst I,m On This Subject About Ansells Brewery JeanAs Just Asked Me About My Uncle Frank ,s Name , T The Brewery , -- Jean , Is Name Was Frank Marsden ,
He Was A Dray Man There All Is Life , Until He Diied In The Fifties ,He Had A Big Beer
Belly On HimAnd He Wore A Very Large Belt Around His Waist And He Spoke With A Wigan Accent , And He Lived Ten Doors FromThe Vine Pub .In Fact It Was NO 10 ,
Park ST ASTON ,And He Was Marrid To My Dads Sister AuntyEdith
 
Last night at The Barn, the President of the Club told me he used to drink at "The Monkeys" pub I said I didn't know that one and he said it was The Vine in Lichfield Road, as shown in the above pics. I had never heard it called "The Monkeys" - Astonian over to you - do you know?
 
Hi Everybody,
You can remove The Vine in Bracebridge Street, Aston from the equation. It was a pub with terraced houses on one side and a bombed building (peck)on the other. I was born and bred virtually opposite. We always had our bonfires on Guy Fawkes on the peck. My dad rarely drank in there. He always favoured The White Hart up the road.
 
HI SYLV
Yes It,S True Years Ago I Think It Was In The Fifties There Used Be
ALot Of Bother Down In The Vine ,Always Brawling Carrying On My Old Man
Told Me One Day About It As We Was Passing The VINE ,When He Referred It To The Monkey Pub I Asked Him What Did YouMeanAnd He Told Me Of The Regular Fights There At Week Ends With The Teddy Boys My Old Man Controlled Them At The GoldenCross He Used To Knock Them Out Ready For The Black MARIA FromSteel House Lane And They Always Thanked Him For Is Intervention Then They Would Put Them In The Police Van And Run Them Up To Steel House Lane Lock UPS
Yes Its Very Treu It Was Called The Monkeys ,
 
A good example of what I was looking for in my recent thread 'pub names'. Although I started the thread looking for proper names it is clear that many pubs around Brum were, and are, known by nicknames. Typically these are not recorded in official documentation so as a history site I think it is important to try and record, and wherever possible establish the reason for the nickname. Nobody has yet offered any thoughts on the origin of recent nicknames mentioned such as Monkeys, Cuckoo, Widows (though perhaps Victoria).

As older people pass on these things get forgotten so if you can think of an examples please pass them on

Bob
 
One I remember from boyhood days was the New Talbot on Hagley Road at Barnsley Road junction being called 'Dirty Bets', something to do with a former landlady being not too clean in her ways I was told. I'm sure that name was on the place when I drove past it a few months ago!
The King's Arms at the former city boundary on Alcester Road is still 'The Nob', to do with Nobility I think (and hope!). Some areas get nicknames too, or are called after buildings now long gone - the junction of Hagley Road West and Wolverhampton New Road will always be 'The Warley Odeon' to me, although to some it is the 'Warley Bowl' as the former cinema became before demolition.
 
glaciermint said:
A good example of what I was looking for in my recent thread 'pub names'. Although I started the thread looking for proper names it is clear that many pubs around Brum were, and are, known by nicknames. Typically these are not recorded in official documentation so as a history site I think it is important to try and record, and wherever possible establish the reason for the nickname. Nobody has yet offered any thoughts on the origin of recent nicknames mentioned such as Monkeys, Cuckoo, Widows (though perhaps Victoria).

As older people pass on these things get forgotten so if you can think of an examples please pass them on

Bob
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hi ya in reply to request for pub names here are a few i know of
the albion trever st, known as, the empty
nechells park hotel, the newfound
the safe harbour, grave diggers
the erdington arms the muckman
cant recall anymore at the moment but someone mentioned the monkey i thought the new inns in wainwright st was nick named the monkey
could be wrong though
ash
 
wales here. i got all excited for a minuite folks. thought maybe i had a last found the vine inn villa street. then i thought maybe its the one that was in summer lane. that was on a corner. wales.
 
wales, i know you are looking for the Villa St Vine but didn't want to get your hopes up unless somebody thought this was the one. Even if it was it wouldn't be how you remember it unless you're aged about 103!

Bob
 
wales

When I was trying to trace these pubs I discounted your "Vine" because it according to Kelly's was not a corner location and as you know there are no photo's to be found to compare with.

I did think it was possibly yours at first but came to the conclusion it was either Bracebridge St or Newtown Row, but comments from Dave Bath have since removed Bracebridge St from the equation. So that only leaves Newtown Row, all we need is confirmation from somebody.

Phil
 
ha ha bob very funny. no my vine was a lot smaller and was not in line with the houses either side. it was a bit laid back. (bit like me) im sure one day it will turn up. still trying to figure out where this one was. wales
 
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