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That makes a lot of sense.

That's super interesting, so he had a brush with death.... so this one is the child who travelled with Rosa. Any reason why you think Rosa went 2 months after Eleuterio?

Right so he had two carmens, the one on my tree is the 2nd one? So the baptism I have from 1906 is the first one? Sure it was in brum

So that’s about 5 children now? But only two survived , Michael & Carmen. I’m actually speaking to Eleuterio’s great grandchildren in America! Theve sent me photos of Michael & Carmen. They tell me that Eleuterio died on the railway.

With your uncles death certificate, did he die here in brum? Do you know where he is buried? I can’t believe all these men having multiply families…. I guess you really could get away with it back then.

Some pages from the handbook.

My dad Michael iommi - has dug out his Birmingham Market handbook from 1980. He worked at this particular market for 22 years and the “old market” for many years before. I hope it may be interest to some of you, maybe you remember my dad? Or you frequently used the market? This is him below on...

so you've managed to crack your family tree then, although you've had stumbling blocks. I guess no one knew we would be looking them up in 100 plus years.

That's crazy that it, and really interesting at the same time, it seems it was so easy to up and leave, and start again without anyone really knowing anything unless you told them. As a novice really doing this family tree I didn't even think about documents being wrong, changing of surnames and...

Id love to know...I guess if you upped and left back then there would be no way of tracking you down. Its strange as Alexandra im sure never mentioned that her dad wasn't present or anything like that, just that her mom did have lots of men, and that she only had half siblings. Who knows. so...

I was an 80s baby, but only really remember 90s toys, but the ones in particular I loved were, battleships, snakes and ladders, I collected china dolls (which now have a creepy vibe I think), operation, and etch a sketch :) Id do anything to go back to simple toys. But one thing, I always play...

Are you finding it difficult to trace Elizebeth before her children and marriages because of the smith name? also do you suspect she married Foster, while she was still married (but split) so she put widow? or could be the case it is the wrong Luciano and he did in fact pass away. when he had...

Also The bone has been retrieved and is behind the altar and will be buried this week by a parishioner who is an undertaker :)

I found these two on my dna matches. Debbie doesn’t seem to have any Italian in her thou which is odd. But Giuseppe has a lot. Could possible be on that tree you found, I’ll try and drop them a message I thought the surname was similar. Also there are only two regions that come up on my DNA...

Is it worth me adding the new marriage and his other kids to the family tree

Ok yes I have those but for some reason also listed an Elizabeth as a 4th child so I’ll remove that. He had a lot of children and all their families branch off somewhere. Wonder what the peck name is like now, or if it’s still listed as peck. Could go on forever that line.

So I only have 4 children listed so there seems to be a lot more between him and Elizabeth and then he has another 6 with someone else.

Ah yes that's a point. I also notice that lots of people took in lodgers, was that to get help with paying bills?

Firstly when you said all this, I immediately thought that if he abandoned them all, that maybe why Alfred took the foster name when he joined up to the army. So Elizabeth sister married a Verrechia, they had some children and Alexandra was godmother to one? and Luciano went on to have 6 more...

I’ll catch up with this post properly when I’m home! But yes I also know that Italian surname , I’ve come across it loads while doing research.