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  1. Mark_Ellis

    Turley and Williams, Ltd., locations - Originally of Reliance Works, Green Street, Deritend, Birmingham.

    This is a Pathé News film clip, of the RAF in France. At around 28 seconds in, it shows the Turley & Williams Portable Cooker, which appears to have been invented by Charles Douglas Smith. The Cooker's case could be used as a small oven. The RAF appear to be the only service to use this version...
  2. Mark_Ellis

    Turley and Williams, Ltd., locations - Originally of Reliance Works, Green Street, Deritend, Birmingham.

    I've searched Companies House for both Turley & Williams, and British Safety Stove, and come up with zero results. The other night whilst mooching around the internet, I found this - but I'm buggered if I can find that page again, which is Companies House website
  3. Mark_Ellis

    Turley and Williams, Ltd., locations - Originally of Reliance Works, Green Street, Deritend, Birmingham.

    The Stoves designed by Charles Donald Smith, who was involved with Turley & Williams Ltd from 1935, were branded as British Safety Stove Co. Ltd. Looking at the British Newspaper archives, under Company Registrations in 1939 is the British Safety Stove Ltd. The Subscribers are Lawrence R...
  4. Mark_Ellis

    Turley and Williams, Ltd., locations - Originally of Reliance Works, Green Street, Deritend, Birmingham.

    As well as inventing the Number 2 and Number 3 Stoves, Charles Donald Smith invented this traveling kitchen, which the RAF adopted and used in trucks and trailers
  5. Mark_Ellis

    Turley and Williams, Ltd., locations - Originally of Reliance Works, Green Street, Deritend, Birmingham.

    I'm presuming that as they went into liquidation in 1925, and Turley and Williams don't appear as actual people on patents from that date forward, that this Charles Smith bought the company and name in 1925, to give himself a well known brand name
  6. Mark_Ellis

    Turley and Williams, Ltd., locations - Originally of Reliance Works, Green Street, Deritend, Birmingham.

    Thanks Which explains why they went from Turley & Williams Limited to Turley & Williams (1925)
  7. Mark_Ellis

    Turley and Williams, Ltd., locations - Originally of Reliance Works, Green Street, Deritend, Birmingham.

    Thanks. Patents show that they stayed at 2 Green Street until 1939, with the 1940 patent showing Highgate street. I wonder if 2 Green Street was also known as Reliance Works, or whether that was another site down the road from number 2
  8. Mark_Ellis

    Turley and Williams, Ltd., locations - Originally of Reliance Works, Green Street, Deritend, Birmingham.

    Hi, Doing a bit of research on Military Field cooking equipment history. In the 1930s, Turley and Williams Ltd started making burners for petrol and similar fuel. These burners ended up as the Number 2, 3 and 4 stoves used by the armed forces for WW2 and beyond. The first patent was in 1936 I...
  9. Mark_Ellis

    66 Leopold Street, Birmingham

    Yes, it does. I wasn't aware of who lived there until I joined the forum
  10. Mark_Ellis

    66 Leopold Street, Birmingham

    Well, that's the mystery, and why I joined this forum. I think the Oadby George might be using the Leopold address. Someone called George Fowler, a manufacturer, submitted a patent in November 1893, from 66 Leopold Street. I now know that a George Fowler lived at the property in 1881, but was...
  11. Mark_Ellis

    66 Leopold Street, Birmingham

    George Fowler is known as the father of bottling food to preserve it. He made the bottles, and sealing tops - which started business in his wife's name - as serving soldiers are not allowed to have companies in their name.
  12. Mark_Ellis

    66 Leopold Street, Birmingham

    @MWS because the Oadby George Fowler had previously used a completely different address than to where he actually lived to register a patent (the Cardiff house being occupied by a Lee) in 1900, I wondered if Oadby George Fowler had used another relative in 1893 to register another patent of his...
  13. Mark_Ellis

    66 Leopold Street, Birmingham

    So by 1901, the wife has presumably died, and the kids have all left home. Many thanks
  14. Mark_Ellis

    66 Leopold Street, Birmingham

    @pjmburns so there was a George there in 81, but wasn't there in 91. Is there a census for 1901 for 66 Leopold, please?
  15. Mark_Ellis

    66 Leopold Street, Birmingham

    Thank you, @brummy-lad and @mikejee for the incredibly fast response. George Fowler that I'm looking at was born in Leicester, in 1855. Died 1925 I know that he employed a nephew, Joseph, who in 1913 had learnt the trade and set up what became Fowler Vacola in Australia in 1913. So it's possible...
  16. Mark_Ellis

    66 Leopold Street, Birmingham

    Hi, I'm new to this. I'm researching British military portable/Field cooking equipment. I'm currently researching George Fowler, a soldier based in Kent when he took out a number of patents. I know that he took out one patent addressed to a property in Cardiff, which turns out to be an in-law's...
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