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I think without further records becoming available online then your Italian ancestry is probably at a bit of a dead end atm. It would be interesting to see what Luciano recorded on his marriage to both Elizabeths to see if it the info matches and what he put as his marital status on the second...

I can see her in the 1930 & 1940 census with Peter and in 1950, a widow, with Nancy and a lodger. She married Peter Semon 21 Nov 1911 but she didn't appear to marry a Jeffries before that but a George Walter Wilson 6 Mar 1904. There are a few photos of her on familysearch.

A quick search found this. I can look for more if you want. https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/204009588/mary-semon

I find DNA fascinating, I am bit sceptical about some of the results at times though. Frosinone is a province in the Lazio region of Italy. As I mentioned in the Italians in Bham thread it seems to be the origin of a fair number of the Italians that came to Bham. I can't see the tree but it...

There appears to be a small family tree on Ancestry that a descendant of Luciano's Cheshire family has done, possibly a great grand daughter or 2 x great grandchild. It does have only 18 people though, so may have started and then just gave up like lots of people do.

It all depends how likely you think that 2 Luciano's are the same person. Some people wouldn't until they had more proof.

It is a shame that Luciano's birthplace is listed as nothing more specific as Italy. I have found a few tantalising mentions of both an Antonio Pecchia and an Angelo Antonio Pecchia. Unsure if they are the same person. Terelle is listed on all of them which is in the province of Frosinone...

With just single picture from inside, and that probably a show flat, a bit of a mis-named article on the BBC... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy0vr5jj7rzo

It doesn't look like the back of 33 from the map... https://maps.nls.uk/view/210969566 There is a thread for William St here... https://birminghamhistory.co.uk/forum/threads/william-street-city-centre.48367/#post-606191

Michael is the 7th in 1940 with mmn listed as Bradbury, so maybe but not sure. Joseph died at Arnhem in WW2. Molly, Angelo and Rosa never married, Rosa may still be alive. Violet married and moved south, and Michael (if he is relevant) married and remained in Cheshire.

Luciano had 3 children with Elizabeth Smith - Alexandra, Violet (dies young) and Alfred Henry (who may not be his). He then had up to 7 with Elizabeth Bradburn - all listed as Peck. A note of caution. It does all fit but there is no real proof that the 2 Lucianos are the same person at the moment.

Thanks. I'm don't know why I asked that, there's a possible seventh child with the wrong mmn listed but he's not born until 1940, so wouldn't be on there anywhere. Think I'm getting a bit frazzled.

Are there 2 or 3 blanked out entries after Molly?

Some circumstantial evidence to tentatively support it. He called his first daughter Violet and 2 of his sons Antonio and Angelo. On his marriage to Elizabeth Smith his father's name appears to be Angelo Antonio.

I think I may have found Luciano. In 1911 in Wellington, Shropshire listed as Luciano Pecolio b1867 Italy, an Organ Grinder. Listed as single. In 1921 in Northwich, Cheshire listed as Luciano Peckio b1869 Italy, a labourer (?). Listed as married. Later in 1921 he marries an Elizabeth Bradburn...

One family - Recci (usual various spellings) - appear to have had 3 sets in 9 years as well as at least 6 other children. One died from the first 2 sets but both survived from the third.

I've been looking at Elizabeth Smith's sister Jane and there are a couple of interesting things. Firstly her husband was Henry Vereca but his name was originally Verrechia (a much well known Italian name) which shows how names and especially foreign names can change though the pronunciation...

One thing I've noticed about the Italian families in Bham is that there seem to be an inordinate number of twins born. Sadly, a lot of them seem to die young.

I'd guess a lot of churchyards are not kept as neat and tidy as they should and St Joseph's is probably not an easy one to maintain. It's hard to advise without seeing it. You're confident you have the right plot and are just trying to find a headstone? I said previously it just might not...

Don't know to be honest but couldn't that equally apply to other plots in the area?