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And on the map below from a little later (1901) whilst looking for Riddings St I spotted a road running off Wright's Lane called Bannister St. Named for a relative maybe?

Riddings St is marked on the first map and you can see the distance to Cherry Orchard (top right)...

Below is a map of Old Hill from 1881. Underlined are some of the roads on which the Bannisters lived and as you can see just how close some of the mines were. Cherry Orchard is the address given on a number of records for the family of Joseph & Mary including that on the burial for young...

You may already know this Chris but it appears that the Bannister sisters had a younger brother, Joseph b1893 who died at the age of 2.

The only 2 reasons I can think of is Mary was pregnant though I can't see a few more days making a difference, or one of their families disapproved and they were worried that they might be stopped though neither was under age. I suppose taking a romantic view they may have been very much in...

These are the passenger list (clipped) and marriage certificate that Janice posted earlier in the thread...

Just looking at the dates for Mary's arrival in America and her marriage and I didn't realise just how close they were. According to the passenger list Mary arrived in New York on the 2nd Jun 1904 and then on the following day, the 3rd Jun 1904, she married George Walter Wilson in Cuyahoga...

A mile east of Netherton...

I meant that they may have been in Wrexham for some reason at the time of Sarah's death and Thomas not long afterwards met Eliza there. A wild stretch I know, especially as Eliza's daughters appear to have been born in Bham.

Turning away from the Bannister sisters for the moment. In the opening post you mention that Joseph Bannister was born Dudley. However on the majority of censuses his birthplace is listed as Rowley Regis. Then moving on to Joseph's father, I noted his residence at the time of his baptism is...

Re : Annie Bannister. Priest is also a common name in the Black Country and I can't see any connection between Annie's husband (James) & Martha's 1891 employer (Thomas). I went back to James' great grandfather and Thomas's grandfather. So might be just a coincidence though I wouldn't rule them...

A bit of a stretch but I see on the 1911 census Eliza birthplace is given as Llandudno. Wrexham is between the two.

I think you've misunderstood the post. The picture in post #410 is a picture of the numbers given which can be found on the Bham Archives with another one which is of Gothic Terrace. The picture of Gothic Terrace is shown in the post linked to - post #327.

I think there's a typo for Sarah & Thomas' marriage (1888 rather than 1881?) which threw me, Is that not his death in Aston Dec qtr 1913?

When you say Sarah died when your nan was born. As she registered the birth that's not literal? Was there a marriage for Thomas Roberts and Eliza? Couldn't see anything likely. The only death for a Sarah Elizabeth Roberts of the right age I could see was in Wrexham, so very unlikely...

There are Italian censuses as well, starting 1871. Not sure if they are online anywhere, so it might be case of waiting for them to be digitised. There first 2 or 3 especially would be worth looking at.

I wonder if the witnesses to the various marriages (Elizabeth & children) would reveal anything.

I was wondering the other day why Felice and Angelina's English marriage was in the Catholic records, I'd assume that they would have a Catholic marriage. It may because that the marriage records for St Michael are not online for that time. So that's something you could look for, I am...

That would make sense if she was the one to abandon the family but it was Solomon who left and it was Elizabeth who went to court for maintenance (which we assume she never got). Also if she was worried abut someone following her why did she give the correct place of birth for herself and at...

That makes some sort of sense. She may have just assumed Bermuda was part of America or even that he was American. And I suppose he might have been, born in Bermuda to American parents.