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Luciano had 3 children with Elizabeth Smith - Alexandra, Violet (dies young) and Alfred Henry (who may not be his). He then had up to 7 with Elizabeth Bradburn - all listed as Peck. A note of caution. It does all fit but there is no real proof that the 2 Lucianos are the same person at the moment.

Thanks. I'm don't know why I asked that, there's a possible seventh child with the wrong mmn listed but he's not born until 1940, so wouldn't be on there anywhere. Think I'm getting a bit frazzled.

Are there 2 or 3 blanked out entries after Molly?

Some circumstantial evidence to tentatively support it. He called his first daughter Violet and 2 of his sons Antonio and Angelo. On his marriage to Elizabeth Smith his father's name appears to be Angelo Antonio.

I think I may have found Luciano. In 1911 in Wellington, Shropshire listed as Luciano Pecolio b1867 Italy, an Organ Grinder. Listed as single. In 1921 in Northwich, Cheshire listed as Luciano Peckio b1869 Italy, a labourer (?). Listed as married. Later in 1921 he marries an Elizabeth Bradburn...

One family - Recci (usual various spellings) - appear to have had 3 sets in 9 years as well as at least 6 other children. One died from the first 2 sets but both survived from the third.

I've been looking at Elizabeth Smith's sister Jane and there are a couple of interesting things. Firstly her husband was Henry Vereca but his name was originally Verrechia (a much well known Italian name) which shows how names and especially foreign names can change though the pronunciation...

One thing I've noticed about the Italian families in Bham is that there seem to be an inordinate number of twins born. Sadly, a lot of them seem to die young.

I'd guess a lot of churchyards are not kept as neat and tidy as they should and St Joseph's is probably not an easy one to maintain. It's hard to advise without seeing it. You're confident you have the right plot and are just trying to find a headstone? I said previously it just might not...

Don't know to be honest but couldn't that equally apply to other plots in the area?

Yes sorry, getting my names mixed up again. Yes, coal hewers are usually down the mines. My nan's family were coal hewers in Chesterfield. So, wasn't sure.

The Octagon has been completed, so not long before I move into my £5000 a month penthouse apartment ;) https://www.paradisebirmingham.co.uk/2025/09/03/construction-of-the-octagon-birminghams-tallest-building-completes/

Re : Thomas Smith's occupation given on Elizabeth's marriage (post #493) and the 1901 census (post #515). First word is coal but can't make out the second word. It looks to be the same word but doesn't seem to be hewer or haulier. Probably something obvious but just can't get it.

My 2 x great grandfather lived in Adams St, though 40 years before that photo.

Mentioned a couple of times on this thread and just come across it on the 1881 census. Surprising that Norfolk St was so much smaller than Suffolk St. To my mind if you were going to name 2 streets Suffolk and Norfolk they'd be of a similar length/importance. Map from 1839, some years before it...

Guests can't change things.

I think you may have a couple of errors. The one quite far back - Mary Baker who I think was born 1794 in Aymestrey, Herefordshire the daughter of a William and Mary Baker and who died 1851 in Ludlow. Also I think her husband, William Russell, probably died 1865 in Ludlow. The other was the...

I think Elizabeth may have died 1941/42 and Frank in 1946.

Alfred is incorrectly listed as William Alfred and Violet died young.

Violet was Luciano and Elizabeth's other daughter, who did young.