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From what I can see from this and your other thread you have 2 leads - 1. Your nan thought her real mother was Louisa Brassington Smith. 2. DNA suggests that your mom and Helen are 5th cousins. In regards no. 1, did you ever get the birth certificate for the Freda Smith b1934 in Bham to see...

I'm putting a link to your Thomas Wilson Palmer thread, so info doesn't get repeated, which I was about to do. https://birminghamhistory.co.uk/forum/threads/thomas-wilson-palmer.54929/

It seems to be a daunting task, she could be a descendant of any of Helen's 4 x g grandparents. A closer match would help obviously, as would comparing your mom's dna to any of Helen's known cousins, second cousins, etc to eliminate lines. Are there no adoption records? Which would be far simpler.

I don't have any Napoleon Bonapartes but I have 8 of the more patriotic Horatio Nelsons, all from the East Midlands. Not sure if they father of the first of them was a sailor.

Ok, I think I see. Not only are Julia and Helen (adopted) 1st cousins they are actually related 5th cousins.

Did you mean 5th cousins? Guessing a bit but Freda (mother of Julia?) and Thomas Wilson (father of Helen?) appear to be siblings, children of another Thomas Wilson Palmer (mentioned post #5) and a Dora Mercy Collett. Though according to post #6 Freda was adopted.

I think it was a photo posted by Sarah herself, Lyn. I don't think it looks particularly like no. 34 or no. 134 on the map, though no. 34 is listed as a bank so maybe the original building was demolished.

Not quite as good as Liberty Ruff but another great name I came across recently was Tiffin Cherry (male), at least 3 generations from Cumbria, descendants eventually ended up in Bham.

No. 134 was between Eyre St and Stewart St, bottom of this map... https://maps.nls.uk/view/210968981 ...the library is just off to the right, shown on this map (top left)... https://maps.nls.uk/view/210968987

John Keep, the father of the Frederick and Joseph mentioned by Mike appears to have died in 1857,

It ran between Weaman Row and Steelhouse Lane, parallel to Loveday St. Top left of this map... https://maps.nls.uk/view/228801971 ...there are a number of gun works marked.

All the main genealogy - Ancestry, findmypast etc - allow you to create a family tree for free (registration required). I've created trees on a few and they all have good and bad points. No harm in having a try and seeing which you prefer.

I like how everyone managed to stand still except that one little girl in the middle.

There's a really old photo on this thread... https://birminghamhistory.co.uk/forum/threads/the-gate-pub-saltley.13166/ ...and this more recent one was posted on another site posted by one of our old members...

Interestingly, Alice Plimmer's grandfather (and Billy Plimmer's step great grandfather) was in the Royal Artillery and his 2 eldest children were born on St Helena at the time when Napoleon was exiled there.

I didn't think Billy Plimmer had a sister called Alice. He appears to have had an aunt called Alice, who married William Hutchins.

From what I can see the Sears don't appear to be a very prolific family with a lot of early deaths. The elder Arthur Albert Sear had 4 brothers (1 died young) but I can see just one male line Sear descendant to carry on the name, though a nephew appears to have emigrated to Canada and don't know...

There was a big bakery on the corner of Granby Avenue/Bannerley Road. Less than a mile away.

There's an Arthur D Glover at 18 Hunters Road on the 1939 Register listed as a Public House Manager, so could it be Burton House? Though the picture doesn't seem to match the map.

On a bit of a tangent, I see that the elder Arthur Albert's brother - Alfred Bright - was also married twice and similarly his first wife died not long after giving birth to a daughter who was named after her mother. She survived though. Also both their parents were married twice, each having 3...