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just a last bit of info for tonight and you most likely know this but the 1935 telephone directory gives giovanni iommi at 81 high street and its listed as a cafe..no doubt also selling ice creams

lyn
 
Astoness said:
just a last bit of info for tonight and you most likely know this but the 1935 telephone directory gives giovanni iommi at 81 high street and its listed as a cafe..no doubt also selling ice creams

lyn
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This makes sense, so yes his dad felice lived at that address, if you search it today it comes up lozells road rather than high street, I could see it was a shop, and on the death certificate his job was an ice cream vendor :)) so you're right haha. Giovanni was one of his sons.

here is a another head scratcher. on a 1911 census, felice is head of house, he lives with his wife, son, daughter inlaw, brother in law a boarder and his cousin. His cousin being Francesco iommi (the famous Tony iommis) grandad. So ive always thought that my great great grandad and Tonys grandad were cousins. Felice lived on Duddeston row for a while, with Giuseppe his son next door and Francesco living next door to that. Francesco married a Maria musticone.
I then received Guiseppes death certificate and the person who registered the death was a musticone (which makes sense as she literally lived next door, but under it , it said (niece) now she wasn't a niece, she wasn't an iommi, only through marriage. Her husband Francesco was cousins with us all, so why did she put niece......
 
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I woud suspect "niece" was an easy option for a more complicated relationship.
You know - wife of second cousin once removed - that sort of thing is a mouthful. So much easier to say "niece".

I have a relative who I call my cousin and she refers to me in the same way but it was actually my Dad and her Mom who were cousins.
 
pjmburns said:
I woud suspect "niece" was an easy option for a more complicated relationship.
You know - wife of second cousin once removed - that sort of thing is a mouthful. So much easier to say "niece".

I have a relative who I call my cousin and she refers to me in the same way but it was actually my Dad and her Mom who were cousins.
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That makes perfect sense actually
 
hi suzanne i have just phoned up perry barr crem to ask if they have felice and giuseppe with them...spoke to a lovely lady who said for those years she will need to check their archives and she will get back to me...thought it was worth a shot as you never know.. at best they are there if not we can at least cross perry barr off the list..will let you know when i hear from her

lyn
 
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Astoness said:
hi suzanne i have just phoned up perry barr crem to ask if they have felice and giuseppe with them...spoke to a lovely lady who said for those years she will need to check their archives and she will get back to me...thought it was worth a shot as you never know.. at best they are there if not we can at least cross perry barr off the list..will let you know when i hear from her
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Thanks so much im keeping my fingers crossed that the lady finds something

I went to the Birmingham library today and they do not hold catholic burial records, the only place that do is st chads cathedral, so I popped in but I have to email them first which ive just done.. So im hoping they have original copies ..
 
hi suzanne yes as said on post 9 the library wont have the catholic burials st chads is the way forward but as already said they can be very long winded in replying...however unless you have already got this here is a map showing no 81 high st which as you know is where the cafe was and also a photo of the cafe which i would date to the 1950s/60s..photo is courtesy of kieron at west midlands pubs..

lyn

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Astoness said:
hi suzanne yes as said on post 9 the library wont have the catholic burials st chads is the way forward but as already said they can be very long winded in replying...however unless you have already got this here is a map showing no 81 high st which as you know is where the cafe was and also a photo of the cafe which i would date to the 1950s/60s..photo is courtesy of kieron at west midlands pubs..

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Wow that’s amazing so that’s where felice ran his shop I will keep this for my records if that’s ok..

Would you believe st Chad’s emailed me back and this is the response
 

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yes please save for your records..you are very lucky to have a photo of the shop..just read st chads reply to you...it seems the plot thickens but they must be somewhere..

lyn
 
I think they have misunderstood. They are referring to burials at St Chad's itself. Also the site for Birmingham cemeteries which we have already searched
The archives hold a lot of parish records (including burials). The problem is they won't search for you (or wouldn't when I last went several years ago,). They don't have staff only an Archivist but you used to be able to book to go in and search. Trouble is when I went the records were on microfilm per parish. so you have to go through to find the year and month - very time consuming.
I will see if I can find the situation now.
At least they are getting Oscott checked
 
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They now have a lay archivist.
According to their search facility they hold these records for St Josephs which seems to incdicate the last burial might have been 1914
However you can email and ask:

Email: [email protected]
Check out these two pages:

The Catholic Archdiocese of Birmingham Archives

The Catholic Archdiocese of Birmingham Archives
www.birminghamarchdiocesanarchives.org.uk www.birminghamarchdiocesanarchives.org.uk

and

The Catholic Archdiocese of Birmingham Archives

The Catholic Archdiocese of Birmingham Archives
www.birminghamarchdiocesanarchives.org.uk www.birminghamarchdiocesanarchives.org.uk

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pjmburns said:
I think they have misunderstood. They are referring to burials at St Chad's itself. Also the site for Birmingham cemeteries which we have already searched
The archives hold a lot of parish records (including burials). The problem is they won't search for you (or wouldn't when I last went several years ago,). They don't have staff only an Archivist but you used to be able to book to go in and search. Trouble is when I went the records were on microfilm per parish. so you have to go through to find the year and month - very time consuming.
I will see if I can find the situation now.
At least they are getting Oscott checked
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yes I just sent another Email to confirm I didn't mean buried at st chads cathedral, ill wait for a reply, they're only there Thursdays and Fridays. my last resort is to get a historian on the job
 
Ive just emailed midlands ancestry and said ill purchase the 4 records if you find the info for me, as they have all the original copies of the north side churchyards.
so ill wait to see what comes of that :)
 
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Are we definitely looking for a Catholic burial?
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Giuseppe & Maria's 2 eldest children were baptised as Catholics at St Michael's, Moor St, which is still there.

Suzanneiom said:
yes I just sent another Email to confirm I didn't mean buried at st chads cathedral, ill wait for a reply, they're only there Thursdays and Fridays. my last resort is to get a historian on the job
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You could visit the closest Catholic churches and take a walk around the graveyard if they have one.
 
MWS said:
Giuseppe & Maria's 2 eldest children were baptised as Catholics at St Michael's, Moor St, which is still there.



You could visit the closest Catholic churches and take a walk around the graveyard if they have one.
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wow thankyouuuu, that would be my grandad Anthony and his brother Albert. I didn't know this info, how did you find this out.. so you think to visit the and just have a look around, I will make a list of them all and do this :)
 
can I just double check so all the cemeteries that are under bham council, those ones ive called up and spoke to them and they have no records, are those also catholic.. or is it just the "st" ones, I need to make a list.

I really would expect them to be in witton, but I am waiting to hear of the st Marys oscott and midland ancestors and Perry Barr then :))
 
Suzanneiom said:
wow thankyouuuu, that would be my grandad Anthony and his brother Albert. I didn't know this info, how did you find this out.. so you think to visit the and just have a look around, I will make a list of them all and do this :)
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Not many Catholic churches had burial grounds so you need to check. This is why many Catholics were buried at St Joseph's or in Catholic sections in Council cemeteries.
The cemeteries listed on the Birmingham burial records have Catholic sections but are multi denominational.
Some of the "St ones" (as you put it) may have graveyards but are not Catholic. A lot of their records are on Ancestry and I drew a blank.
 
pjmburns said:
Not many Catholic churches had burial grounds so you need to check. This is why many Catholics were buried at St Joseph's or in Catholic sections in Council cemeteries.
The cemeteries listed on the Birmingham burial records have Catholic sections but are multi denominational.
Some of the "St ones" (as you put it) may have graveyards but are not Catholic. A lot of their records are on Ancestry and I drew a blan
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Now im even more baffled then
 
It might be worth mentioning that I found out yesterday on Giuseppes death certificate that he died of general paralysis of the insane, so he may of been in a mental hospital, and when I asked AI it said something about maybe a different burial for people in asylums?
 
Lyn and I have checked the online records for Council run cemeteries (like Witton, Handsworth etc). These contain a section where Catholics could be buried. Lyn posted the names of the Iommi's that came up in post 14.
That list does not include any churchyard burials.
Church burials are recorded by the church - some Catholic ones are on FMP (but we think these stop before the dates you want) and a lot of Birmingham C of E are on Ancestry.
To see the dates you want for Catholic churches you would need to search at St Chad's - the records exist but are not online
 
pjmburns said:
Lyn and I have checked the online records for Council run cemeteries (like Witton, Handsworth etc). These contain a section where Catholics could be buried. Lyn posted the names of the Iommi's that came up in post 14.
That list does not include any churchyard burials.
Church burials are recorded by the church - some Catholic ones are on FMP (but we think these stop before the dates you want) and a lot of Birmingham C of E are on Ancestry.
To see the dates you want for Catholic churches you would need to search at St Chad's - the records exist but are not online
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Ok I understand that, ill wait to see what comes back from st chads , yes those from post 14 I jotted those down :)
thank you.
 
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