Arthur was not his Father
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Frederick did have an older brother Arthur on 1891 censusNot listed in 1908 Kelly's. I wondered if Arthur was either the Father of or brother of Frederick. Just trying to find them on census.
Hi. This is my great grandparents' marriage certificate - it's amazing to see this and the photos. Fred Snr (who married Kate in 1908) died in 1924 from a cardiac arrest during a cycle race in Birmingham. My grandad was his son (Fred), and he had a brother Arthur (as someone else here on the the thread says, born in 1915). I suspect the Arthur referred to in the documents was Fred Snr's brother, but no one in our part of the family knows for sure. Kate lived on Nechells Park Road until the early 70s. Incidentally, the bike that hung above the shop was in my nan's garage in Great Barr until the early 2000s when she died.Arthur was not his Father
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As you can see from pot 157 there was a Fred jnr born in 1912. I found this 1936 snippet about him in the Evening Despatch
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I would thinnk so in 1936.thanks jan so this would be adrians grandad fred
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