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Thanks for your info, thats helped alot in my research, however to explain
my wifes great grandmother was manageress at the Holte Brewery in 1911
according to the census (Mrs Mary Ann Farrell) How in my nievity, i had presumed
that a lot of beer's where brewed sometimes on the premises and that the brewery &
pub was one and the same. Therefore your information has discounted this theory however
still has a bearing on her daily contacts. So now i have to switch my search to the brewery,
and if anybody knows any info i would be most grateful,
its great to be back, thanks for this you are quite correct no `E', After further digging i believe i have narrowed it down to two
possible locations, the first possibility is Goodfellows pub in Old Meeting st ( wether this was still standing in 1911 i am not sure)
the other is according to my relatives census return is `The Timberman Inn' (I have never heard of such a pub) My theory is that
they where possibly deceiving the authorities, and really managed the Woodman Inn in Summer Lane. What ever the story it will
take a lot more delving, Iwill search the forum for more info especially for a concise list of Holt brewery pubs and Managers,
Again many thanks for your help,
Hee -Hee. Did you say a concise history? the Holt brewery had 250 pubs when they were taken over by Ansells in 1934 !
But : The pub she was managing was the Holt (or Holte) Arms, 13 Lister St . you can just about read the “Arms” . I don’t know which site you got your census data from. I use ancestry, which has only just put on the info for 1911 for Birmingham in the last few weeks. On this can go to the next page after the page the search brings up, and if you do you see that it gives the address on what must have been the cover of her form According to directories the pub had Thomas Henry Bills in 1910. Mary Ann Farrell in 1912 and Henry Sidwell in 1913 (Remember year on directory is year of publication. Collection of data could be 9 months or so earlier)
Thank you Mike, he was Francis R. Blakemore. I know the other 2 are right from Kelly's and Birth Certificates, so I'll change the info on my records. I've always been unsure about the Holte Arms part, and I like to keep thngs right.
Mike have you a map showing 13 Lister St I knew the area well in the 50 -70s I cannot remember a pub.The Pot of beer became a pub after Holts were taken over by Ansells originally the building was part of Holts Offices.Dek
Dek The pub seems to have disappeared between 1921 and 1932. It is listed in kelllys only as a beer retailer, but the census of 1911 mentioned earlier shows it was te Holte Arms then. McKenna says it was closed in 1889 !. He’s very useful, but not the first time he has killed off a pub before its time. Below is 1889 map showing it
Get a red cross with coppermine, so will post it from photobucket
You are a genius, How on earth did you find that out i am a member of ancestry and completely missed this
info. But talking Ansells brewery my Grandfather Young was part of the brewing team up to his retirement in
1965. Again in your dept, but gratefull,