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Gower Street Boys School

John_Gower_Street_pupil

master brummie
Thank you Michael

I stand corrected... So the shop is opposite the school and the photo is looking towards William Street. I had it in my mind that it was looking in the opposite direction.

Appreciate that.

John.
 

John_Gower_Street_pupil

master brummie
I have just been looking at the Primary School I attended and noticed the Public Swimming Baths on Victoria Street, Aston.

I remember Mr. Eyton walking us from Guilford Street in an orderly fashion to the baths weekly. Gosh it's amazing recalling things you had forgotten about.

Thinking about it now though; it makes you wonder why we even bothered, It took half the lesson walking there and back. And I also recall spending only twenty minutes in the water.

:)
 

Michael_Ingram

master brummie
Attached is scan of a late 19th century linen map. Unfortunately there is no date on the map but as Corporation Street is there replacing Lichfield Street in other parts of the map, it is probably 1890s. Notice the main Gower Street School is not there but the smal lone in Gower Street is. The Gower Street main school does have the look of early 20th century architecture.
 

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John_Gower_Street_pupil

master brummie
Attached is scan of a late 19th century linen map. Unfortunately there is no date on the map but as Corporation Street is there replacing Lichfield Street in other parts of the map, it is probably 1890s. Notice the main Gower Street School is not there but the smal lone in Gower Street is. The Gower Street main school does have the look of early 20th century architecture.
Hi Michael

I appreciate the effort.

I wasn't aware that Lozells Road used to be called Lozells Lane. And there wasn't even a Lozells district either.
I always thought that Newtown was a more modern concept and that Aston, where I lived, was on the other side of Birchfield Road only.
Lyn tells me that some buildings were demolished and rebuilt. But I agree with you; it looks like that was the first of the school buildings.
 

Michael_Ingram

master brummie
An interesting section of a map from 1862 (ignore the blue dots) A Gower Street and Hospital Street but no Guildford Street yet (there may be bits)
 

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John_Gower_Street_pupil

master brummie
Am I missing something here?
Guilford Street appears to be there but there is no street name; or are you referring to there not being a school?
Chain Walk is there; remember that? The rather steep road around the Guilford Street corner on Lozells Road and almost opposite the school.

What I find fascinating though is that Aston Park was much bigger than I realized. My primary school was on Whitehead road but not the bit shown here. And is that a mass of water that looks like a barrage balloon?
 
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John_Gower_Street_pupil

master brummie
Attached is scan of a late 19th century linen map. Unfortunately there is no date on the map but as Corporation Street is there replacing Lichfield Street in other parts of the map, it is probably 1890s. Notice the main Gower Street School is not there but the smal lone in Gower Street is. The Gower Street main school does have the look of early 20th century architecture.
That linen print takes me back...

When I finally left Holte Comp I went looking for a draughting job. I haven't mentioned this before; but my favourite subject at school was Technical Drawing followed very closely by Art.
I digress a wee bit here. I went into the Comprehensive and had a very bad hair day on opening day.
I discovered that I wasn't allowed to do both subjects :-(
I chose Technical Drawing because realistically my job prospects were much higher; but I used to paint in my spare time, mostly on the weekends.

So, I went for a job interview at Cadwallader Shopfitters on Aldridge Road, Great Barr. I was asked to take some artwork with me. By that time my art folder had become quite plentiful. They hung on to my folder after the interview.

Quite a while later, and many other interviews elsewhere, I received a letter in the mail asking me to come in.
I put that down to them returning my artwork; which was in a double elephant sized folder.
Not only did they give me the folder; they gave me the job too.

I had been working there for sometime by now and had gotten used to the awful smell of ammonia. For those of you not in the know already; we used to draw on good quality tracing paper and we had a home made light box emperor size.
There were three fluorescent tubes inside. We would lift the heavy lid and lie the finished drawing face down on a sheet of glass (almost the same size as the box). then we lay a sheet of light sensitive yellow coated paper over the drawing.

Then it was down with the lid and on with the lights. It was a bit of a guessing game when it came to exposure. Somewhere around thirty seconds; we used an analogue timer. Then we had to quickly grab the exposed paper and roll it up and put it into a plywood curing box (another hand made item). This box was obviously longer than the width of paper and less than 12 inches wide and less then twenty-four inches high. Two compartments: upper where we'd put the rolled up paper (to be cured) via a door in the end of the box. And the lower compartment contained half a cup of ammonia; that too had its own door. The divide between upper and lower had holes in it to allow the fumes into the upper chamber.

And after a minute or so; voila a blue print.
Whenever we had to submit a drawing to the council though; it had to be a linen print. So yours truly had to hop on a bus (46?) to Perry Barr with the drawing rolled up in a cardboard tube. And wait in reception. The place was near Lynton Square on the same side of the road and nearer to the dog track than to the square. I shall never remember the name of that place.
It wasn't until decades later that I witnessed a linen print being made. That was here in New Zealand when I worked at Pacific Aerospace; I used to do the prints myself then.
 
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John_Gower_Street_pupil

master brummie
Hi Lyn you must be up bright and early.
It is 5:51 pm here in New Zealand.
Thank you for the map!
I am afraid you are incorrect about the school being on Gower Street. The map doesn't tell you that Gower Street finishes at Guilford Street and the Annex building was on the corner of Clifford Walk and Guilford Street as shown on the map (attached).

I was using Google maps and looking at the new school without realizing it was 2008. How times change!

I am a little vague on Mark. It sounds as if he would have been in my year and I have a pretty good memory. Maybe he was in a different stream. As I said my classroom was in the main building. Perhaps his was in the Annex building.

Also, Do you remember Carol? Can't think of her surname. She was in the chess team. Gower Boys played at Lozells Girls School (organized by Mr. Philips). I was on board one playing Carol. We already knew each other socially.
She gave me a good game.

I have already attached this map; but I have edited it. I was relying on nearly forty years of memory for the exact position of the Annex building. We often had to walk from one building to the other and I really didn't think it was that far away. :)

I Emigrated from the UK in 1995. I didn't really live locally. I lived in Tower Road, Aston; only part of which still exists today. I heard lots of bad stuff about Upper Thomas Street School from lads in my street and decided to give it a miss.

John.
Hi Lyn

I have been exploring the area on Google using the satellite function and although the date is not shown I surmised it was current. So to check I asked for directions from Lozells Road to Holte School; and I got them!

So I was right when I described the new position of the school when it was rebuilt. And one of the small entrances on Wheeler Street.

I am surprised that I couldn't upload a file that was only 300 kb. I had to reduce it.

You don’t get a second chance to create a first impression.
 

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Ozbrum

proper brummie kid
There is no mystery here. The whole area was reconstructed at the end of th 60s. Street were recreated, new ones built although they did seem to do this using the sewage, electricity and gas layout without changing it too much. New street names were created, eg Guildford Drive, and I assume Clifford Walk. I have a map of the area from 1871, there is the small school which became Gower Street infants but there doesn't yet seem to be Gower Street boys school. I am sorry I can't upload it as the resolution is too low. If I find a better copy later I will upload it.
As I said 'boys school'. In the 40s and 50s and before the war older boys went to Gower Street, older girls went to Lozells Street. Attached is a photo of Gower Street and the corner of Guildford Street (the mysterious Clifford Walk bit). Notice the name of the street is Gower Street.
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I see Furnace Lane ,
We called this part of the three gulley’s , started at Porchester street , crossed Clifford street and one other , hence
“ three gulleys “
Albert Clayton
 

Banjo

master brummie
photo from above showing gower st school circled also shows the other part of the school corner of lozells road and guildford st date 1950...thanks to OM for this

lyn

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What a great photo. If it's from 1950 it looks like the apex roofs had been removed between then and 1958 when I was there. This photo of Guilford St taken from Lozells Rd end shows the corner of the school as I remember it.
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Astoness

TRUE BRUMMIE MODERATOR
Staff member
hi bango bit confused...i believe the photo you posted is taken from guildford st looking towards lozells road showing the newer part of gower st school which is still there and the caretakers house next to it..the house was demolished a few years ago..

lyn
 

Astoness

TRUE BRUMMIE MODERATOR
Staff member
its a pity the caretakers house had to be demolished...street view 2008

 

Banjo

master brummie
hi bango bit confused...i believe the photo you posted is taken from guildford st looking towards lozells road showing the newer part of gower st school which is still there and the caretakers house next to it..the house was demolished a few years ago..

lyn
Hi Lyn, yes, this photo was taken in Guilford St. But taken from where the blue dot is facing Gower St. The houses outlined in green are the houses in the photo. Sorry I haven't got a contemporary map. Barry

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Astoness

TRUE BRUMMIE MODERATOR
Staff member
oops my error then barry for years since i found that photo ive always assumed it was showing gower st top of lozells road..seems to have a flat roof which that one does...thanks for the correction

lyn
 
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