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DAVIS Martha Ann and Arthur MOORE

Mudpie77

Mudpie77

A Good Brummie
Descendants of the above two peple sought.
The family lived at 33 Bourne Road, Aston, between 1924 and 1933.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
Re: Martha Ann DAVIS and Arthur MOORE

Arthur Moore married Martha ann Davis in June 1900.
In 1901 Martha was with her in laws in Gloucestershire and Arthur was a boarder in Aston

1901 66 High street Gloucester
Benjamin Moore age 50 b. Tewkesbury ,a Musicain
Martha age 51 ,wife, b. Tewkesbury
Emma age 24 daughter b. birmingham
Martha age 24 daughter in law b. Birmingham
Arthur B age 6 months ,grandson b. birmingham

Arthur moore age 23,married, b. gloucs is a boarder at 134 Gerard Street Aston Manor,occupation Billiard marker.
 
Arthur MOORE and Martha Ann DAVIS

First of all I see you can still work your magic Alberta ;)
6 Brownie points awarded and a very big thank you.

Now follwing up on the fine information Alberta has supplied....
I wonder if some kind person could help me with the following
people on / on the 1891 Census ??

Perhaps they were at 66 High street, Gloucester in 1891 ???
Benjamin Moore age 40, head, a Musicain, b. Tewkesbury ,
Martha age 41, wife, b. Tewkesbury
Emma age 14, daughter, b. birmingham
Martha age 14, daughter in law, b. Birmingham

And I wonder where Arthur Moore age 13, single, b. gloucs was ???

All help will be greatly APPRECIATED :)
 
Martha Ann DAVIS and Arthur MOORE

Thank you very much Lloyd ;)

It is helpful to know the Electoral roll's show Arthur and Martha Ann MOORE there in 1920/5/1930/5/9.

I wonder who Gertrude Martha Moore was ? who was there in 1935-9 ? :rolleyes:
 
Re: Martha Ann DAVIS and Arthur MOORE

BMD register shows Gertrude Martha Moore birth registered 1st quarter 1910, Aston (volume 6d page 285) so I'd hazard a guess that it's Arthur and Martha's daughter, probably appearing on the electoral roll in time for her 21st birthday in 1931, but that's not online.
 
Gertrude Martha Moore

Lloyd, your a very busy boy and helpful person ;)
So the BMD register shows that Gertrude Martha Moore's birth was registered in the 1st quarter 1910, Aston (volume 6d page 285).
But your guess that she is Arthur and Martha's daughter, may be right, but I'd had her down as probably his sister ???
But your "She appearing on the electoral roll for the first time in 1931 seems to lead me to think it was because of her 21st birthday, and your right :rolleyes:
 
Re: Martha Ann DAVIS and Arthur MOORE

1891 9 Victory Road,Barton St Mary,Gloucester.

Benjamin Moore age 40 b. Tewkesbury Professor of music
Martha age 40 b. Tewkesbury
George age 16 b. Birmingham, Hairdresser
Frank age 15 b. Birmingham
Arthur 12 b. Gloucs
Albert 10 b. Gloucs
Emma 5 b. Cheltenham

Between 1881-1891 Benjamin had a change of occupation

1881 42 Phillip Street, Gloucs.
Benjamin moore age 30 Engine fitter
Martha 31
Frank 6
Arthur 2
Albert 8 months
Emily hill age 27,unmarried, boarder b. Devon Ottery St Mary.
Frank hill age 3 b. Glos

Benjamin married Martha Crump June 1871 Tewkesbury

1871 9 chance street,Tewkesbury,Gloucs

Benjamin moore age 59 Engine smith at works
Jane age 48 Nurse
Benjamin age 20 Engine fitter and turner
Henry 19 Printer compositor
Jane 17,domestic servant
James 14 Shoe finisher all b. Tewkesbury
Mary Moore age 75 widow mother,born birmingham

this would make her 16 when she had Benjamin snr ,will check further.
 
Re: Martha Ann DAVIS and Arthur MOORE

Benjamins age incorrect in 1871

1861 Chancs Street.

Benjamin moore age 40
Martha age 38
Henry 7
Jane 6
James 3

Benjamin jnr with grandparents

Barton street ,Tewkesbury

Benjamin moore age 63 b. Tewkesbury tinplate worker
Martha age 65 b. birmingham Greengrocer
Benjamin age 10 grandson b. Tewkesbury

A Benjamin Moore married Mary Moore 18th july 1819 Tewkesbury.
 
These two dont match

:( Anybody :cry: These two do not match

1861 Census
Dwelling:Chancs Street.
Benjamin MOORE. head M 40 (b) Tewkesbury.
Martha MOORE 38 (b) Tewkesbury.
Henry MOORE son S 7 (b) Tewkesbury.
Jane MOORE dau S 6 (b) Tewkesbury.
James MOORE son S 3 (b) Tewkesbury.

1871 9 chance street,Tewkesbury,Gloucs
Benjamin MOORE age 59 Engine smith at works
Jane age 48 Nurse
Benjamin age 20 Engine fitter and turner
Henry 19 Printer compositor
Jane 17,domestic servant
James 14 Shoe finisher all b. Tewkesbury
Mary Moore age 75 widow mother,born birmingham.
 
Re: Martha Ann DAVIS and Arthur MOORE

Hi Mudpie 77, just in case you can help? any of these faces Of my SUTTON COLDFIELD Moore's/Benton's ring a bell with yours?
It's the wedding of JAMES MOORE to PEARL BENTON. (James was later years brother in law)
 
Re: Martha Ann DAVIS and Arthur MOORE

Dear Mr. Baron,

I am truly overwhelmed by the help and responses I have got in my search for the MOORE's

If your following my progress, you'll see a possible James MOORE in ....

1861 Census
Dwelling:Chancs Street.
Benjamin MOORE. head M 40 (b) Tewkesbury.
Martha MOORE 38 (b) Tewkesbury.
Henry MOORE son S 7 (b) Tewkesbury.
Jane MOORE dau S 6 (b) Tewkesbury.
James MOORE son S 3 (b) Tewkesbury.

1871 9 chance street,Tewkesbury,Gloucs
Benjamin MOORE age 59 Engine smith at works b. Tewkesbury
Jane age 48 Nurse b. Tewkesbury
Benjamin age 20 Engine fitter and turner b. Tewkesbury
Henry 19 Printer compositor b. Tewkesbury
Jane 17 domestic servant b. Tewkesbury
James 14 Shoe finisher b. Tewkesbury
Mary Moore age 75 widow mother. b. Birmingham.

Best Wishes
John
 
Re: Martha Ann DAVIS and Arthur MOORE

do you know of this Moore

MOORE Alexander Frederick Eaton Birmingham 6d 215
TIBBINS Sarah Ann Birmingham 6d 215

Married Birmingham September quarter 1907 Aston.
Sarah Ann Tibbins, parents
Father, James Henry Tibbins

Mother, Hannah Tibbins nee Miller
They married at St Mary’s Church Avenue Road, Aston Manor on
25th December 1873.
Sarah Ann was christened 31st October 1875 Aston,
1920, Birmingham electoral rolls Alexander and Sarah Moore living at 1/17 Parliament Street Aston Birmingham.
1938/39 Birmingham electoral rolls Alexander and Sarah Moore living at 1/17 Parliament Street Aston Birmingham.
1901 Census

Sarah Tibbins. age 25 Birmingham Birmingham Aston Brass warehouse.
Alexander Moore, aged 20 Worcester Birmingham Birmingham

Charles Moore, 22 Birmingham Birmingham Aston Brass Founders Dresser
 
Martha Ann DAVIS and Arthur MOORE

Alberta

Sorry to be a pain,
But which Benjamin's age is incorrect in 1871 ???

Barton Street ,Tewkesbury
Benjamin moore age 63 b. Tewkesbury tinplate worker
Martha age 65 b. birmingham Greengrocer [ Should read Mary ??? ]
Benjamin age 10 grandson b. Tewkesbury

If so, then this refers to the above ???
A Benjamin Moore married Mary Moore [ and was her surname actually MOORE ???? ] 18th July 1819, Tewkesbury.

Thank you for all your help so far Alberta ;)
 
Re: Martha Ann DAVIS and Arthur MOORE

I wonder if someone could be really kind and recheck this for me, only I think Emma Moore age may be incorrect :(

1901 Census.
Address: 66 High street Gloucester
Benjamin Moore. age 50, head, a Musicain, (b) Tewkesbury.
Martha Moore. age 51, wife, (b) Tewkesbury.
Emma Moore. age 24, daughter (b) Birmingham.
Martha Moore. age 24, daughter in law, (b) Birmingham.
Arthur B Moore. age 6 months ,grandson, (b) Birmingham.

I think Emma Moore's might read something like this ...
Emma Moore. age 15, daughter, (b) Cheltenham. ;) or :rolleyes:
 
Re: Martha Ann DAVIS and Arthur MOORE

It is definitely "Emma Moore. age 24, daughter (b) Birmingham."
 
Emma MOORE

Following up on the fine work of Lloyd
Martha Ann DAVIS and Arthur MOORE [ Benjamin and Martha MOORE ]
It is definitely "Emma Moore. age 24, daughter (b) Birmingham."

1891 Census. Reference:
Address: 9 Victory Road, Barton St. Mary, Gloucester.
Benjamin MOORE. Head, married, 40, Professor of Music, (b) Tewkesbury.
Martha MOORE. wife, married, 40, (b) Tewkesbury.
George MOORE. son, single, 16, Hairdresser, (b) Birmingham.
Frank MOORE. son, single, 15, (b) Birmingham.
Arthur MOORE. son, single, 12, (b) Gloucester.
Albert MOORE. son, single, 10, (b) Gloucester.
Emma MOORE. dau, single, 5, (b) Cheltenham.

I need help :rolleyes: because the following does not pan out at all :(:(:(

1901 Census. Reference:
address: 66 High Street, Gloucester.
Benjamin MOORE. head, married, 50, Musican, (b) Tewkesbury.
Martha MOORE. wife, married, 51, (b) Tewkesbury.
Emma MOORE. dau, single, 24 (b) Birmingham
Martha MOORE. dau-in-law, married, 24, (b) Birmingham
Arthur B. MOORE. grandson, single, 6mths (b) Birmingham

I am sure there must be a good answer, but I am not bright enough to
see / find it.
 
Re: Martha Ann DAVIS and Arthur MOORE

Here they are in 1881,
Benjamin aged 30, b Tewkesbury, Engine fitter.
Martha aged 31, b Tewkesbury
George aged 7 b Birmingham
Frank aged 6 b Birmingham
Martha aged 4 b Birmingham
Arthur aged 2 b 'Gloucester' (County or town?)
Albert 8 mths b Gloucester (as above)
plus, as lodgers:
Emily Ann Hill, aged 27, b Ottery St Mary, Devon, Unmarried but with her son:
Frank J Hill, aged 3 b Gloucester.
No mention of an 'Emma'.
 
Re: Martha Ann DAVIS and Arthur MOORE

Emma Moore births in Birmingham that fit the above census queries are:
Emma Moore, birth registered 3rd quarter 1885 Cheltenham volume 6a page 428
Emma Moore, birth registered 4th quarter 1876 Birmingham volume 6d page 119

You really need to see the certificates for those births to see who had Benjamin as her father, for definite proof of age.
I believe you can order the certificates with the provision of 'only if the father is Benjamin Moore' to save cost.
 
Benjamin and Martha MOORE

Well done Lloyd, once again 'your the Man'

So!
Emma Moore births in Birmingham that fit the above census queries are:
Emma Moore, birth reg 3rd quarter 1885 Cheltenham volume 6a page 428
Emma Moore, birth reg 4th quarter 1876 Birmingham volume 6d page 119

Obviously it is:-
Emma Moore, birth registered 4th qrt 1876 Birmingham volume 6d page 119
So that she'll 24 in 1901, (b) Dec 1876 perhaps
 
Benjamin and Martha MOORE

Oh! dear, just to confuse the issue, I have just found this on the following :-
https://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/igi/individual_record.asp?recid=100435934806&lds=1&region=2&frompage=1

Emma Crump Moore.
Christening: 18 SEP 1885 St Matthias, Birmingham.

Which obviously fits :-
1891 Census. Reference:
Address: 9 Victory Road, Barton St. Mary, Gloucester.
Benjamin MOORE. H, married, 40, Professor of Music, (b) Tewkesbury.
Martha MOORE. W, married, 40, (b) Tewkesbury.
George MOORE. S, single, 16, Hairdresser, (b) Birmingham.
Frank MOORE. S, single, 15, (b) Birmingham.
Arthur MOORE. S, single, 12, (b) Gloucester.
Albert MOORE. S, single, 10, (b) Gloucester.
Emma MOORE. D, single, 5, (b) Cheltenham.

Only the Cheltenham would not fit :(
 
Re: Martha Ann DAVIS and Arthur MOORE

Hmm, she could have been christened at 15 - in fact all of the children could have been done at the same time, can you find christening dates for Frank, Arthur and Albert?
Sorry to dampen your flame, but I have found from experience not to assume anything in genealogy, nor to believe absolutely that the census details are correct.
The only truth about her age is a birth certificate for an Emma Moore giving Benjamin Moore as the father.
 
Benjamin Moore and Emma MOORE

She could have been christened at 15 - in fact all of the children could have been done at the same time.
I agree totally:)

Can you find christening dates for Frank, Arthur and Albert?
Good Lad, I missed that :rolleyes:

Sorry [ no need ] to dampen your flame, but I have found from experience not to assume anything in genealogy, nor to believe absolutely that the census details are correct. Again, I agree totally:)

The only truth about her age is a birth certificate for an Emma Moore giving Benjamin Moore as the father. [ Will do ;) ]
 
Martha Ann DAVIS and Arthur MOORE

I wonder if anyone has the 1911 Census yet ?

If so, :thumbsup:can they possibly tell me of any changes to these details in the 1911 Census ???

1901 66 High Street, Gloucester
Benjamin Moore. head, 50, a Musicain (b) Tewkesbury.
Martha wife, 51 , (b) Tewkesbury.
Emma dau, 24 (b) Birmingham.
Martha diL 24 (b) Birmingham.
Arthur B g/s 6 months, (b) Birmingham

And Arthur Moore age 23, married, occupation: Billiard marker, (b) Gloucs. Who was a boarder at 134 Gerard Street, Aston Manor.

Any help would be very much appreciated :)
 
Re: Martha Ann DAVIS and Arthur MOORE

Mudpie, It is quite expensive to search the 1911 census and I don't think you will get a look up. If you go to the 1911 site you can buy vouchers.:)
 
Re: Martha Ann DAVIS and Arthur MOORE

:handshake: Thank you for that information.

Just shows I live in my own little world, and have not concept of the value of things at present :(
 
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