paul stacey
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Quite true Richard!!
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trimbody
knowlegable brummie
This is a real work of art and the cost is no surprise . It's one of the finest restorations well done to everyone.
Who say's craftsmanship is dead..
mw0njm.
A Brummie Dude
prob the wheel nuts
mw0njm.
A Brummie Dude
Birmingham Corporation Transport The Buses 1913-1969 - Local Transport History
On the 19th July 1913, Birmingham Corporation exercised its limited powers under the Birmingham Corporation Act of 1903 (which provided for the running of omnibuses only during the construction or repair of, or as an extension to, a tramway route) to operate motorbuses as an extension to the...
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Lloyd
master brummie
The oldest bus at Wythall Museum is this Tilling Stevens of 1913, one of the 30 taken over by the corporation from the Midland Red company shown as now alongside a colourised picture of it as new.Birmingham Corporation Transport The Buses 1913-1969 - Local Transport History
On the 19th July 1913, Birmingham Corporation exercised its limited powers under the Birmingham Corporation Act of 1903 (which provided for the running of omnibuses only during the construction or repair of, or as an extension to, a tramway route) to operate motorbuses as an extension to the...
mw0njm.
A Brummie Dude
looks like the one butler drove in on the buses
Bob Davis
Bob Davis
The Daimler book was apparently not completed and the project is on hold. That came from Amberley publishing.
Bob
RRJ
Brummie Boomer
I loved the old buses, jumping off the platform at the back before it stopped was the best part of the journey, plus having
a crafty after school fag upstairs on the way home. I don't ever remember riding on a Midland Red bus though, weren't
they for the longer routes out of town?
a crafty after school fag upstairs on the way home. I don't ever remember riding on a Midland Red bus though, weren't
they for the longer routes out of town?
Lloyd
master brummie
Mainly, yes. They had to charge a higher 'protective' fare for journeys wholly within the city boundary, some of which was forwarded to the corporation in lieu of lost revenue as a result of a famous agreement in 1914 between the Corporation and Midland Red. For details, refer to Post https://birminghamhistory.co.uk/for...ham-corporation-bus-history.13584/#post-98540 "1914 - Birmingham Corporation takes over Midland Red city routes"
RRJ
Brummie Boomer
Thanks for that confirmation Lloyd. I knew nothing of the 'agreement' with the Corporation.
devonjim
master brummie
Radiorails
master brummie
The nearest bus route to my home was Midland Red 179 but was an hourly service, so inconvenient. Stratford Road services were farther away - 150/154/181. Consequently we crossed the Birmingham boundary and caught the famous 29A at Baldwins Lane which had a regular service.
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Lloyd
master brummie
When I joined the Midland Red as a driver in 1973, I was told by some of the older conductors, on inward bound services "Don't stop for 'Corpo' passengers inside the boundary". It was their laziness not to have to go round the bus again collecting fares. I didn't agree to this, and often would pick them up if hands went out in request, my excuse being that I didn't want to be hauled up 'in front of the gaffer' if a letter of complaint came in, quoting the registration of the bus I was driving at the time. It wasn't long before the conductors went, replaced by 'one man operated' buses to save the extra wage.
Nigel Edwards
Hotcrossman
In 1957 when I became a driver we were told never to pick-up inside the city boundary as it contravened licensing regulations and disiplinary action would follow. In my time things were very strict, I still have some disiplinary 'hearing' notes for 'running early', and uniform 'misdemenours'. Memories of walking along Robin Hood Lane to the Island for the 5am Staff pick-up for Digbeth still linger . . . . . ! DD37463
Nigel Edwards
Hotcrossman
Comments , both here and in the transport press, about the enormous cost of restoring 486. Lloyd, modest as he is, outlines some of the obsticles without mentioning the pivotal part he played in both the original rescue of this bus and subsequent hands-on participation in its magnificent restoration. Just look at the mammoth task confronting all those involved and the end result!
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Lloyd
master brummie
Since last December. Details here: https://www.nationalexpressgroup.co...tional-express-hydrogen-buses-out-in-service/
devonjim
master brummie
If such "clean" technology is available now. Why are they still persisting with the Digbeth metro extension with the utter chaos it is currently creating during it's construction and the metro will only ever be able to travel where tracks have been laid. The metro technology seems to me to be a quarter of century out of date. Am I so wrong?
Lloyd
master brummie
No, you aren't. The problem is, public transport is 'run' by politicians now, who have no understanding of its requirements. 'Clean' buses, hydrogen, electric (trolleybus, rechargeable battery or even bi-mode where engines are only run out of urban areas) have long been available technologies, but without commitment from operators to fund design and purchase, no development will be made. 'Metro' (Tram to those of us who remember them) is a continental thing, so got EU funding. That isn't there now, but will 'those in power' see the way to changing their minds? No, because that would mean saying they were wrong in the first place. The only way to succesfully promote public transport is to make it free (i.e. funded from taxation - nothing is 'free'!) which is about the only incentive to get people out of their cars and onto the bus. And for those who will wail "It can't be done!" - read this: https://www.mobiliteit.lu/en/tickets/free-transport/
Richard Dye
master brummie
No…Yor are correc!
Many large engined vehicles are being converted to green hydrogen particularly in Austrian railways et Al.
The hydrogen technology is still very experimental, and when the Digbeth extension was planned not in existence. Although the defence industry seems to be able to get vast amounts of money for new ideas which do not turn out, it is not practicable for public authorities (or should not be) to do the same . I might suggest one other advantage . With railed vehicles there is the eventual possibility of fully automated control , which would largely solve labour problems (including strikes) . Indeed that is practiced on the Docklands light railway, although I gather at present a driver has to actually be there also in case of problems. I do not personally believe that this would be possible in the near future for individual buses
devonjim
master brummie
Didn't Sheffield have free or was it very inexpensive bus transport in 1980's. We pensioners have our passes!
Quite a proportion of bus revenues must come from pensioners passes. Quite a proportion of bus revenues must come from our ancient codgers passes. Of course they are not useable in early rush times., which probably must cover a lot of the passenger's journeys
The pensioner pass is of little use if there are no buses. The only way to make buses viable in rural areas is to subsidise them. That used to be achieved by cross subsidy from well used routes. Cross subsidy was stopped in order to deliver contracted out services and destroy local authority control.
Jonob
master brummie
Pensioners passes can be used at anytime, however, when used "out of hours" a £1 charge is made for any journey. John.
My mom tried to get tokens for me, too. They said my journey was not ten miles ( I was traveling from Ash Road, Saltley to Hodge Hill Grammar) so, my Uncle took the journey with me and measured the miles in his car, it was just over ten miles. So, my Uncle or Mom, can’t remember, queried this and they said it was just the length of the bus journey not the whole journey.
