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Rea Phoebe of Bromsgrove

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donnaexpat

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looking for possible husband of phoebe born 1883 in catshill bromsgrove and had an illegitimate son arthur thomas rea. im trying to find out if she ever married arthurs dad but have nothing to go on as in name. arthur was born 1909 and phoebe was still living at home in 1911. have no other info on my great grandmother.
 
There is a marriage of a Phoebe Rea (mistranscrbed on Ancestry as Phobe) in Bromsgrove in 1917 to Sydney Sivell. No idea if this is the marriage you want. (Ref: Bromsgrove vol 6c and page 430).

There is also a Phoebe Rea married to Harry Morris in 1927 in Birmingham (Birmingham South vol 6d and page 55). These two are at 1/301 Bell Barn Road.
If any of that helps.
 
yes that is a problem as ancestry are giving me sydney as a potential ancestor to but then their hint lists him in a family with wife annie beesley and all their children 2 of which are born after he supposed to have married phoebe so i cant get around him.
 
pjmburns said:
There is a marriage of a Phoebe Rea (mistranscrbed on Ancestry as Phobe) in Bromsgrove in 1917 to Sydney Sivell. No idea if this is the marriage you want. (Ref: Bromsgrove vol 6c and page 430).

There is also a Phoebe Rea married to Harry Morris in 1927 in Birmingham (Birmingham South vol 6d and page 55). These two are at 1/301 Bell Barn Road.
If any of that helps.
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i will check that thank you, i think ill have to get the mariage cert for morris to proove it .
 
I tink it may be the marriage to Morris. On 1901 census Phoebe has a brother George. George marries a Nellie Hill and on the 1935 eroll Phoebe Morris and George + Nellie + William Arthur Rea live in Bell Barn Road.
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Don't think Phoebe has a brother George, in 1901 she appears to be a servant of Thomas Hill.

Could still have married Harry Morris though.
 
I think Phoebe was the daughter of Thomas Rea and Sarah Woodin, and possibly registered as Rhoda.

Listed as Red in 1891, other siblings match Rea/Woodin registrations.

There are 2 other illegitimate Rea children listed in Kings Norton, a Rosa May, 1910 (Phoebe has a sister Rosa) and a William Thomas, 1914. Not sure if they're hers.
 
YES THOMAS AND SARAH ARE HER PARENTS BUT IV GOT NOTHING AFTER THE 1911 CENCUS. AND NOONE WHO CAN TELL ME ANYTHING.
 
The George I mentioned has a father Thomas who was a gardener so I am fairly certain he is Phoebe's brother - otherwise very much of a coincidence.
 
rosa may and thomas are strange iv got rosa b 1873 and thomas b 1884. where did you find them as i cant find anything after 1911
 
MWS said:
I think Phoebe was the daughter of Thomas Rea and Sarah Woodin, and possibly registered as Rhoda.

Listed as Red in 1891, other siblings match Rea/Woodin registrations.

There are 2 other illegitimate Rea children listed in Kings Norton, a Rosa May, 1910 (Phoebe has a sister Rosa) and a William Thomas, 1914. Not sure if they're hers.
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hello can you tell me where you found rosa and william please its not easy to sort this out. i found a phoebe morris in the 1939 cencus but there was a linda morris daughter but her mothers maiden name wasnt rea.
 
I saw that 1939 reg and wondered if Linda was Harry's daughter from a first marriage. The marriage was 1927 and Linda's birth is 23 or 24 (the 23 seems to have been crossed out).
 
pjmburns said:
I saw that 1939 reg and wondered if Linda was Harry's daughter from a first marriage. The marriage was 1927 and Linda's birth is 23 or 24 (the 23 seems to have been crossed out).
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yes could be, i have only found a birth for rosa in 1910 but it doesnt give the mothers name and i cant find her anywhere else
 
Mm - not sure about that suggestion any more. In 1925 eroll Harry is living with an Amelia Morris at 1 court 62. I found a marriage of a Harry Morris to Amelia Pugh in 1921. Which possibly gives him a first wife but doesn't tie in with the Avern given as Linda's mother's maiden name. Very puzzling.

Rosa May Rea is listed on GRO with no maiden name for Mother - this may imply it was also Rea
William Thomas Rea is also listed there with no maiden name for Mother.
 
very puzzling iv searched all evening trying to make sense of it all. maybe theres 2 sets of phoebe and harry morris.lol
 
Amelia Pugh could be Rose Amelia Avern reg Aston 1888, married Albert Pugh Lichfield 1915 as Amelia.
 
Not sure about the Phoebe that married Harry Morris, dob is 1888 on 1939 register. Phoebe Rea was born 1882ish.
 
There are only 2 marriages listed for a Phoebe Rea after 1911.

The one to Sidney Sivell and that isn't her, and the one to Harry Morris.

I can't find a birth for a Phoebe Rea born 1888ish or marriage for a Phoebe to a Rea (which could make the marriage to Harry her second).

Obviously there could be other reasons for this but I'm wondering if it is the correct Phoebe Rea and she fudged her age a little, her birth month fits with the registration.

Also on the 1939 register with them is a Harold Rea born 1918 but there's no bith registration for him, not uncommon for illegitimate children.

Apart from waiting for the 1921 census it might be a case of puchasing the marriage certificate of Harry & Phoebe.
 
On the original question of whether or not Phoebe married Arthur's father, it seems pretty doubtful.
 
A little bit of interest, Phoebe wasn't the only one to have illegitimate children. Her mother (Sarah Woodin) had at least 2 and her grandmother (Ann Manning) also had at least one. Her half sister appears to have had at least one as well.
 
With regards to the date - I wonder if she was trying to make herself closer in age to Harry (1889).
 
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