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Crowthers Boutique

A Sparks

master brummie
Does anyone remember Crowthers boutique in New Street (sorry if it's been mentioned anywhere else before)?
I think it was in the corner building that used to be the Kardomah occupying the ground floor and the basement area.
They had quite unusual clothes (ladies fashions), alot of maxi style things.
 
They opened in 1969 - I installed the music system there, and later when they opened in Kensington.

John Crowther was a clever fashion retailer and made a success of his outlets in Manchester, Birmingham and London. He was also manager of Barclay James Harvest.
 
Thanks for sharing that information - I was beginning to think I must be the only person to remember Crowthers!
I did a Google search but the only thing I could find was an advert in a Manchester newspaper.
Do you know why the shops finished as a matter of interest?
 
Thanks for sharing that information - I was beginning to think I must be the only person to remember Crowthers!
I did a Google search but the only thing I could find was an advert in a Manchester newspaper.
Do you know why the shops finished as a matter of interest?

Sorry Sparks - I don't really know. After I had done the music installations in Birmingham and London, I slowly lost touch with John Crowther and his circle. This was basically because I moved away from Manchester and started work on slightly different projects.

There's no question in my mind that he was a very competent businessman and also pretty successful in popular fashion, at least for a few years.

Your location says you are in London - do you know where Crowthers was in Kensington High Street? It was a big store in a very good location.
 
No I wouldn't have known the London Crowthers as I have only lived in London for 13 years - I am originally from Brum.
I remember visiting Biba on a day trip to London - I think that was in Kensington High St.
 
No I wouldn't have known the London Crowthers as I have only lived in London for 13 years - I am originally from Brum.
I remember visiting Biba on a day trip to London - I think that was in Kensington High St.


Biba took over the entire building that was Derrys (Derry and Toms).

https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=e...oid=xpHwpUKIaYcjhwKA-0Az1Q&cbp=13,198.18,,0,5

I expect you remember – it was an enormous store, and solidly Biba-themed throughout. The building now has Gap, H&M and Marks and Spencer. The Roof Gardens that Derry and Toms created are still in use, managed by Virgin as a club/bar/restaurant venue.


Crowthers was further up Kensington High Street, in the building now occupied by Zara.

https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=e...oid=N0eMibLnTNip50u663eP4w&cbp=13,329.72,,0,5

There’s no question these are great retail positions, and Crowthers quickly became a very successful brand, building on its locations in Manchester, Birmingham and London.
 
Oh I remember Crowthers! I thought it was in Corporation Street (on the left-hand side as you walked away from New St station - I think opposite what was then C&A. Although I could be completely wrong on this!!). Bought some great clothes there. They were very much in the style of Biba. Also loved Bus Stop in New Street which I think was once Hudson's Bookshop. Viv.
 
Oh I remember Crowthers! I thought it was in Corporation Street (on the left-hand side as you walked away from New St station - I think opposite what was then C&A. Although I could be completely wrong on this!!). Bought some great clothes there. They were very much in the style of Biba. Also loved Bus Stop in New Street which I think was once Hudson's Bookshop. Viv.

Thanks for your input.

It's a long time since I was there...

I have tried looking on Google's Street View, to see if there is anything that will jog my memory. However, because New Street is largely pedestrianised there are not many images of the shops and buildings there. It will probably have to wait until the next time I'm in Birmingham with an hour to spare; then I'll do a bit of walking and see if anything rings a bell. But if you can pinpoint the building, feel free to resolve the uncertainty.
 
I've been trying to remember exactly where it was myself, I know it was on a corner of a small side road.

As I mentioned in my original post, I was thinking it could have been in New Street in the building that was once the Kardomah Cafe and is now a menswear shop, sort of opposite the Burlington Arcade but it could have been somewhere opposite C&A - maybe someone will remember!!
 
Hi all. Just had a look around using Google Street View to jog my memory. I think if you walk up Corporation Street away from New St station, Crowthers was (I think) where Regis Hairstylist now is (i.e on the corner of City Plaza and just up from Alliance and Leicester). I seem to remember the entrance to Crowthers was located on the corner of Regis (now a window). Also think they had a spiral staircase in the shop to go downstairs. Don't know if this helps to jog anyones memory. Regards Viv.
 
Should have said above I'm referring to the corner of Fore Street and Corporation Street!! Viv
 
Should have said above I'm referring to the corner of Fore Street and Corporation Street!! Viv

Yes - I had a look at that corner in Street View, but I couldn't be certain. It was definitely on a corner somewhere!

Sparks and Viv, thanks very much for your help. We will find the answer eventually.
 
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As I have mentioned, my contact with Crowthers Boutique was through John Crowther. As well as the fashion businesses, he also managed Barclay James Harvest.

I am very sorry to say that Woolly Wolstenholme, one of the core musicians in BJH, died yesterday. He was a very warm individual, and immensely talented - greatly missed.

See
www.bjharvest.co.uk
 
My boutique was nelsons clothing for the fashions of the day they started at the corner of albert st city cente
the bee hive ground floor high street at the old dale end
he later opened another one in the subway to the bull ring and the owner at this precise time of his shops was a very nice jewish gentleman
from birmingham a councillor and later became lord mayor of birmingham
i had the pleasure of getting to know him and meeting him quite often through friends
he called his corner sales pitch below the behive nelson house best wishes astonion
 
Well, that would put it where Regis (hairdresser) is now.

That's plausible, because I remember that Crowthers was on a corner. In a couple of weeks (early April) I will be in Corporation street and I will take some photographs. If I post them, I hope that A Sparks and Vivienne14 will be able to tell me if it's the right location as they remember it.

By the way - sorry I didn't make it to the Christmas gathering. I'm sure the conversations could have gone on for hours.
 
I have a feeling that long before this time it was the site of the restaurant, Pattisons, although not 100% certain on that one. Someone under another thread on this site was looking for a photo of the Pattison building, so would be nice to have a pic for them to see too. Thanks Spectator. Viv.
 
Here's a photo of Pattisons on the corner of Fore St and Corporation St in 1960. It's now Regis hairdressers. The entrance used to be on the corner of Fore St but I think this has been changed to an entrance from Corporation St. I remember an entrance to Crowthers on an angle, like in the Pattisons photo. Viv.


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I visited the city centre this afternoon, and looked at the building on the corner of Corporation Street and Fore Street (now occupied by Regis hairdressers). I didn’t get much sense of recognition that this had been Crowthers, so I looked at a few other corner sites in the neighbourhood.


When I walked round into New Street, I took a look at the buildings on the corners of New Street and Cannon Street, and then New Street and Needless Alley. This last really did ring some bells. It is now occupied by Hawes and Curtis (men’s clothes) and Muji. I do think this is where Crowthers was, but the area is hard to research online because (for obvious reasons) Google StreetView has not driven down large parts of New Street! I went in to the corner building (Hawes and Curtis), and parts of it seemed familiar. Then I went next door to Muji, and down into their basement. This could easily have been a new version of Crowthers basement. I took some photos outside – and on the corner of the building you can see where a sign used to say Kardomah café. This building of course was identified by A Sparks as the Crowthers location, so I am happy to agree. Vivienne14, does that make sense to you too?

Below are three photos out of the several I took today. If anyone wants to see more photos from these locations, please PM me and I will give you a link to PhotoBucket where I have uploaded the pictures.





Corner of Corporation Street and Fore Street

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New Street and Cannon Street

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New Street and Needless Alley

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Hi Spectator. Thanks for taking the photos. Well I've looked at all of them and they all seem possible !!! They all have the look of the building I remember. I do have an image of it being on an incline, but could be wrong on that. Is there a directory from around 1969/70/71 that gives the address I wonder? Viv.
 
Well, postie said (post no 15 in this thread)

According to Kelly's it was at
25/27. Corporation St. ( 1972 )

But having been there today, I'm not so sure. New Street did look more like it. However, we're talking forty years ago...
 
Now you've got me wondering about what the 2 shops on New Street could have been at that time! But these places changed hands so often and after 40 years, well like you say ........ Good to see some up to date photos of the pedestrianised New St area. Viv.
 
I was in Birmingham for a few days myself last week oddly enough and I passed by all the corners that Spectator kindly photographed and looked at the premises again.

If Kelly's says Crowthers was in Corporation Street then that must be correct, I think it must just look different as the front and side of the shop which is now a hairdressers has been changed quite dramatically.
 
Yes Sparks I think that's the problem with this. The shop fronts in New St look more like the style of the Crowthers that I remember. (And how nice to see the shops still having retained so much of their character). I think with Regis hairdressers shop front having been so dramatically changed, makes it difficult to match it up with the memories of the place. The door has definitely been moved, as I remember it being at an angle on the corner. The whole shop front now being covered with marble (?) too makes it look very different. But I also remember it being across from C& A which is probably why I thought it was in Corporation St. Viv.
 
Yes, I think you are definitely right on that.

I feel sure that somewhere there must be a photograph of the shop - it would be interesting to see it again.
Maybe someone will come across it in time!
 
Hello to you Crowther interested types. I was John's (Crowther) first van driver (between around 1968 and 1970) and do remember the Corporation St shop, though not very well, given that I delivered garments there regularly. Dates are not my forte. John was a fantastic guy, very down to earth except when it came to his weakness - bands and pop music, of which more anon.
The Birmingham shop was being refurbished ready for its big launch the night I arrived. Builders everywhere and I was trying ot bring dresses in. As ever I ended up wielding a spade then a brush trying to get the shop ready for the morning's opening. the shhop was definitely on a corner, with a corner door, if you get my drift, and a spiral staircase inside. I parked on Corporation St and was told to put it on the pavement by a passing policeman as it was blocking the traffic (not pedestrianised then). A few minutes later another constable ordered me to put it on the road as it was blocking the pavement! a van driver's lot was not a happy one.
As I also worked in the warehouse I knew the garments well: Marcello crepe was a miniskirted suit as I recall. Let's just say it would not have kept you very warm in winter.
John first shop was in Oldham; a terraced house next to the market. He got publicity by painting the entire outside in a black and white Paisley pattern. His next shop was in South King St Manchester. Like the Oldham shop he had bought up lots of thigns from the slum clearnaces that were taking place around the area of Oldham and Manchester, to use ad shop fittings: bentwood coatstands - for hanging the garments on, huge mirrors, cheval mirrors, aspidistras in old pots or jardinieres. I often had to go buying stuff for him from second-hand shops.
He had a shop in Chester too, but it folded quite early on.
The London shop was on Ken High St, on the right as you approach the junction with Kensignton Church St., travelling from Kensington Palace area. I drove through overnight from Manchester to arrive at 08.00 at the shop, often delivering also to Miss Selfrige, Bus Stop and other boutiques.
No joined up motorways in those days, I had to drive over the Snake Pass to pick up the M1 near Chesterfield.
The London shop was, in my view, his undoing. Whereas he had bought cheap but very atmospheric fittings for his other shops, in Kensignton he had imported tiles from Malta and all sorts of other, over-the-top stuff. His budget kept climbing as his London-based pop-music-set pals kept advising him of what would be 'cool', man.
He employed loads of these new friends who, frankly, had no idea about running a business but were trendy to be with, and on the payroll.
The designs were fantastic. I am trying to remember the name of his designer - Pat something, I think. She designed a wonderful fantasy design of fairies and stuff, in the rain, and called it Sunny Manchester.
Basically, his design instincts were spot on, and so were his business instincts - at first. But, his weakness.
He and his wife bought a farmhouse in Saddleworth, in the Pennines above Oldham, but handed it over to Barclay James Harvest to use, much to his wife's dissatisfaction. And mine really. In the early days I was collecting dresses from the makers - mostly tiny sweatshops around Manchester, delivering them to the cramped Dickensian cellar in South King St that served as our warehouse, then delivering them on to shops; in a minivan. I don't mean a minibus, I mean little Austin mini van. The dresses were on individual hangers and bagged in plastic bags, so that, often, when I opened the back doors, 100 dresses would cascade onto the road like a river in flood.
So John bought me a big Transit parcel van. I had not had it more than a few days when the band - BJH - arrived at the office, and left with the van.
Too many tales. But I am convinced that John was too keen on being one of the guys on the band scene, and it hampered his business. Funnily enough, once John's patronage of BJH finished, they seemed to take off commercially. Odd eh?
John Crowther died in the dentist's chair of some freak accident at the age of just 26. He was a great bloke and had style and panache.
 
Remember it well...floaty, translucent, moss crepe chiffon dresses in 30s and 40s styles and prints straight out of a dream...

Frankly, you could keep Biba by comparison.

I was in there almost every night in between buses on my way home from school in 70-71.

If nobody else had said anything I would have staked my life it was between Nathan's (drool over the diamonds, THEN the dresses) and Rackhams, and not on a corner at all, but there is no way the delivery driver would mis-remember it so I must have.

The shop front was VERY like the black and Gold "Accessorise" shop fronts today.
 
Thanks Vandriver for your very interesting post about Crowthers!!

Sorry it's owner had such an sad end at such a young age :-(
 
Thanks from me too Vandriver. Lots of great background info on the shop. Your post triggered a lot of good memories about the place for me.

Mechanima- wow moss crepe ...... oooooh just adored the stuff, wonderful draping quality, fitted beautifully. Viv.
 
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