Thank you for all your research…..this gets more interesting. I have not seen the 1921 census as yet. In every census I have seen from 1871, except 1881 where ditto marks have been written below her husband’s place of birth, Foleshill, she names Kenilworth as her place of birth….so that is in 1891, 1901, and 1911. The reason I opted for the Birmingham baptism of 21st April, with a birthdate of 31st March 1845 is that this is her date of birth given in the Cantrill family Bible. I had seen the Aston Hannah Smith, but had seen from records that her father was a canal lock-keeper. It is amazing that the mother’s maiden name was Wilkinson and that there had been a marriage of a William Smith and Sarah Wilkinson in Kenilworth. This is all very confusing!
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Smith William, sawyer, Upper Marshall Street 1851 census
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MWS
from Bham
That's a bit of a hiccup.
MWS
from Bham
I think the William Smith who married Ann Bradburn and the William Smith that married Esther Oliver are the same person.
In 1861 (as shown) William is listed as a Sawyer but in 1871 and 1891 he is listed as a Chemical Labourer.
And it seems a little more likely that he is the father of the Hannah that married Alfred Cantrill.
Possibly a coincidence but with William on the 1871 is a Caroline Taylor (listed as cousin) and one of the witnesses when Hannah marries is a Mary Ann Taylor. Sadly Taylor is another common name.
Easiest thing to do would probably get the birth certificate for the Hannah with mmn Wilkinson to see if the details match. Available as a digital download.
Thank you so much for all your trouble! I had noticed that this William Smith had become a Chemical Labourer by 1871, living with Esther in Floodgate Street, but I had missed the possible connection between the cousin, Caroline Taylor and the Mary Ann Taylor witness on the marriage certificate. You are right, that could possibly prove to be very significant! What still troubles me is that I cannot find, as yet, a census entrant for a 5-6 year old Hannah on the 1851 census anywhere in Warwickshire that fits with the facts I have. I will try to find her GRO birth registration.
Thank you again!
Thank you again!
MWS
from Bham
In 1851 I think Hannah is listed as Hanah with William and Ann (Bradburn) in Aston. This time William is listed as a Pearl Maker and his birthplace (as previously mentioned) is listed/transcribed as Fazeley, Warwickshire. Could easily be a mishearing of Haseley by the census taker.
MWS
from Bham
There's now nothing in that marriage that makes is impossible to be relevant.
Witnesses are Ann's brother and sister in law. His birthplace in 1851 is listed as Walsall, close enough to Ann Smith.
I'd say that says Haseley rather than Fazeley for William.
just to cut in folks..i asked carl chinn if he had any photos of upper marshall/marshall st in his collection and he kindly sent me this link to what he has..think most of the marshall st end but its close enough and i think in one of them i can make out a school...link below courtesy of carl chinn
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