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Warstone Cemetery look up - Phoebe and Matilda Hall

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Hi

Hope some kind soul can help me. I have just learnt that my Grandmother, Phoebe Hall, is buried in Warstone Lane Cemetery. She died 18 March 1895. Another relative of mine, Matilda Hall, is also buried in the same cemetry. She died in 1858.

Does anyone have any indexes or photos of the graves which may provide me with more information please? I know that Phoebe is buried in P1970 and Matilda in F619 but would love to know if there are any inscriptions and indeed if any headstones exist.

Many Thanks for any help you can give to me

Pauline
 
Neither grave appears on the memorial listing of Jewellery Quarter Research Trust at https://www.jqrg.org/index.html. This is incorrect, because they appear on the list of burials. I will drop JQRT an email.

However, from my knowledge of Warstone Lane, P1970 is unlikely to have a memorial recorded as it is a public grave against the wall of the cemetery next to what was the Birmingham Mint.
F619 is in the middle of section F. Section F is the section nearest Vyse St.

I will add grave location maps on here in a short while.

I will certainly take location photos for you, but for personal reasons, I'm afraid it won't be possible until mid-April. If I haven't added them in the next month, please remind me.
 
Here are the maps for the two sections, with the relevant graves marked. Just click on the image to display a larger one that you can download. Note, I'm moving this thread to Birmingham Cemeteries section so it's easy to find in future.

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Great! Many thanks for the maps and for highlighting the relevant sections as that does help to locate the graves
 
I've just been to Warstone cemetery, it was a Saturday and there was a gazebo with volunteers who helped me find my long dead ancestors. They were so helpful, I don't know how often they are there but I really am thankful for their help.
 
I hope I am posting in the correct thread. William Oldham, born 1827, Birmingham is my ancestor. The last likely location I have for him is "The Rifle", Icknield Square, Birmingham. Find A Grave has recently suggested a burial record for a William Oldham, at Warstone Lane Cemetery, but there is no bio. (Memorial ID 246721136) Can anyone suggest how I might discover more about this burial, please? I don't understand how a body can be buried without at least an estimation of age. Can anyone enlighten me?
 
Just checked death reg on GRO and there is no Birmngham death reg in 1908
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If he was born in 1827 he would be 81 in 1908 but as you can see no one of that age is listed.
 
Thank you, pjmburns and Astoness for your super quick responses! I have searched variously over the years for a death record for William Oldham, but it has come to nothing. That is why I was so pleased to get this latest 'hit' from Find A Grave. The help from this forum, however, is unfailing.
 
do you know what williams occupation was and the name of his wife i just want to know if i am tracing the correct family..the last location that you have for him of icknield square is only a few mins away from warstone lane cem so would be the obvious burial place

lyn
 
Astoness said:
do you know what williams occupation was and the name of his wife i just want to know if i am tracing the correct family

lyn
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Born 26 Oct 1827, his father John Sealey Olham, gardener of Tennant street. William began as a gardener but 1861 he was a photographer, Oldham and Cooper, New Street. He was co-respondent in a divorce case, abandoned his wife Bethia Barrett, and in 1881 was publican in Darwin Street with his new family. I think his death record has been misfiled, and he may be buried at his family's burial place at Edgbaston Old Church.
 
pjmburns said:
The children on the 1881 census are all surnamed Oldham and a lot seem to be linked to New Zealand on Ancestry.
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Sarah Ann (Annie) Hatton, did indeed take the name Oldham as did the various children, but there doesn't seem to be a marriage certificate. Annie took herself and the children off to New Zealand but there is no evidence William went with them. I have corresponded with descendants of Annie in New Zealand, and they have found nothing on William.
 
As there is no age associated wit the burial or the directory then there's no certainty that either is the correct William.

Circumstantial only but there is death reg. in Windsor Jun 1888 for a William Oldham of about the right age.

There doesn't appear to be a matching William on the 1881 census in Windsor area and it appears that his 'son' Roger Frank is listed in New Windsor in 1891.

Is there a sighting of William after 1881?
 
City Directory for 1883 has William at The Darwin Tavern, Darwin Street. But your info on his son, Roger Frank, has given me a jolt. I had completely overlooked that he was in Windsor, Berkshire, but I was not aware of the death record for a William Oldham. That is worth the cost of a certificate. I'll look into it. Many thanks to you and all on this marvellous forum!
 
I don't think you need to buy a certificate, I think you can get a digital copy which is considerably cheaper.
 
edcartermo said:
Born 26 Oct 1827, his father John Sealey Olham, gardener of Tennant street. William began as a gardener but 1861 he was a photographer, Oldham and Cooper, New Street. He was co-respondent in a divorce case, abandoned his wife Bethia Barrett, and in 1881 was publican in Darwin Street with his new family. I think his death record has been misfiled, and he may be buried at his family's burial place at Edgbaston Old Church.
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if you think that then i think you should contact edgbaston church and ask them to search their records..you most likely know this but in 1889 his daughter kate lilian married in edgbaston church...her father is down as william oldham hotel proprietor

lyn
 
Astoness said:
if you think that then i think you should contact edgbaston church and ask them to search their records..you most likely know this but in 1889 his daughter kate lilian married in edgbaston church...her father is down as william oldham hotel proprietor

lyn
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Yes, thank you, I do have that information. I visited the church some years back, and they were very helpful, so I really must make the effort to revisit. My current situation makes it difficult to travel, but I wonder if they might respond to a fee-based search? Worth a try.
 
MWS said:
I don't think you need to buy a certificate, I think you can get a digital copy which is considerably cheaper.
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yes a digital copy only costs £3 and is emailed straight away also as visiting the church is difficult i would give them a phone call...normally churches are very helpful in looking up burial records and dont normally charge

lyn
 
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Astoness said:
yes a digital copy only cost £3 and is emailed straight away also as visiting the church is difficult i would give them a phone call...normally churches are very helpful in looking up burial records

lyn
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Gosh! What site do you use to pay only £3? I have been paying £8 on GRO and then there is a waiting time of four working days,
 
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