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Mary Morton Chapman

MWS said:
I saw the Eliza baptism but I wasn't sure. It is a bit late, there were no other pointers and there was also a marriage for what seems to be a different William Chapman to an Ann Parkes in 1819, so she could be theirs.

A scan of the baptism may prove it one way or the other.
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Yes I was thinking that as well. First child in 1799 so 1822 would make her 40ish - possible but ....
 
My 2 x g grandmother had her first child in 1842 and her last in 1868, so can happen but just need a little more proof.
 
MWS said:
My 2 x g grandmother had her first child in 1842 and her last in 1868, so can happen but just need a little more proof.
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I agree. There is this death: Elizabeth Chapman 1824 Death Date St Philips Cathedral, B’ham
Elizabeth 1824 Death Date St Philips Cathedral, B’ham

Anyway my bedtime! 10.18pm
 
MWS said:
I saw the Eliza baptism but I wasn't sure. It is a bit late, there were no other pointers and there was also a marriage for what seems to be a different William Chapman to an Ann Parkes in 1819, so she could be theirs.

A scan of the baptism may prove it one way or the other.
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Eliza baptism - is this the right family? St Philip's January 1822
 
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The eliza death with burial at St Phillips is a dfferent address. The entry above is for a Thomas Chapman of Hill Street aged 20 - son of William and Ann - so do we have 2 families here?
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That rules out Eliza then I think, leaving at most 12 children.

Are you able to see the wills on Ancestry?
 
Sorry I did mean the probate, you can get a few clues just from that.

There's something on Ancestry for both Humphrey Evett Chapman and James Evett Chapman under Diocese of Lichfield Index for Will & Probate. Not sure what it may be though, late 1840s.
 
MWS said:
Sorry I did mean the probate, you can get a few clues just from that.

There's something on Ancestry for both Humphrey Evett Chapman and James Evett Chapman under Diocese of Lichfield Index for Will & Probate. Not sure what it may be though, late 1840s.
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OK. Will look but it may not be until tomorrow as I need my laptop on for that.
 
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Assuming you meant William Chapman.

Not sure how inns/licensees worked around that time but even if he was just the licensee then owners could still change I suppose.

The first mention of William in relation to the Castle Inn seems to be 1814. It also looks like William was an Auctioneer, a profession continued by James in Tasmania.

And William's father, Thomas of Bull St, appears to be mentioned in relation to auctions as well.

If William was an Auctioneer then prior to the Castle Inn he possibly lived on Snow Hill. Mentioned a number of time up to 1813 then nothing afterwards.
 
MWS said:
That rules out Eliza then I think, leaving at most 12 children.

Are you able to see the wills on Ancestry?
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There are transcripts only:
Two for James Evett - one "Quod bona" outside the diocese - no citaton details.
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MWS said:
Assuming you meant William Chapman.

Not sure how inns/licensees worked around that time but even if he was just the licensee then owners could still change I suppose.

The first mention of William in relation to the Castle Inn seems to be 1814. It also looks like William was an Auctioneer, a profession continued by James in Tasmania.

And William's father, Thomas of Bull St, appears to be mentioned in relation to auctions as well.

If William was an Auctioneer then prior to the Castle Inn he possibly lived on Snow Hill. Mentioned a number of time up to 1813 then nothing afterwards.
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Woops my mistake. Yes William and there do seem to be auctions at the Inn. I don't think James was very successful but I doubt if there was much to auction in Bothwell at that time. What is Snow Hill?

Ian
 
Ian Broinowski said:
Woops my mistake. Yes William and there do seem to be auctions at the Inn. I don't think James was very successful but I doubt if there was much to auction in Bothwell at that time. What is Snow Hill?

Ian
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Snow Hill is a road, a continuation of Bull St. This map is from 1839, Bull St to the right of St Phillip's and Snow Hill above. St Paul's top left and St Martin's towards the bottom...

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OK so I if you are all still interested in Mary and I have not pushed our relationship too far I have another little challenge.
Mary married Joseph Allport on Dec 20 !826. and sometime between their marriage and 1829 they had a son named William who died soon after. Their next child Morton was born 4th Dec 1830.

I cannot find any record of William being born or dying so I wondered if anyone can help please.
I have attached her family tree but of course I am open to any suggested changes

Many thanks

Ian
 

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If, for any reason, he was not baptised you may not find a birth record. Compulsory registration in the UK did not start until 1875 although births are registered on GRO from 1837. Prior to that the only record was via a church baptism record.
 
There is a burial record for a William Allport, 13 Aug 1829 at All Saints, West Brom just 1d old. No parents given unfortunately, just an abode - Heathfield Terrace.

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MWS said:
There is a burial record for a William Allport, 13 Aug 1829 at All Saints, West Brom just 1d old. No parents given unfortunately, just an abode - Heathfield Terrace.

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Thankyou MWS This is very useful and I really do appreciate your interest in my research.
 
No problem, I've enjoyed the research and have found some interesting things out about the wider family, most probably a little irrelevant to your to your research.

However, I've just come across mention of the auction of Joseph and Mary's possessions before they emigrated - Wolverhampton Chronicle and Staffordshire Advertiser, 23 Feb 1831.
 
Also Aris's Bham Gazette 21 and 28 Feb and I think they might confirm that the William buried West Brom is their child, both articles seem to mention their address as Heath Terrace.
 
MWS said:
Also Aris's Bham Gazette 21 and 28 Feb and I think they might confirm that the William buried West Brom is their child, both articles seem to mention their address as Heath Terrace.
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Hi MWS I would love to see both the auction of their possessions and the Aris' Bham Gazette if possible please. They certainly did not have much money and struggled for some years here before his legal practice begam to provide steady income.
 
This is from the search results (need a subscription to see properly), there are probably some mistakes...

"Splendid Sale, Heath Terrace, West Bromwich, be sold by auction, Septimus Davis. Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday, February 28, and March 1 and 2, 1831, on the premises of Mr Joseph Allport, Solicitor, who going abroad, all the genteel and valuable household furniture, for the dining, drawing and bed-rooms, cabinet upright Piano-forte, a real Cremona Mandolin, beautiful Oil Paintings by eminent Masters and other looks, a pair of noble globes, with the mariner's compass, capital double barrel ? and fowling pieces, excellent cut glass, china, all the kitchen and brewing utensils, Dennet Gig and harness, saddles and bridles, with the usual variety miscellaneous articles. N.B. The sale will commence each morning at ten o'clock. Catalogues of the sale may be had the Castle Hotel, Birmingham and the Bull's Head Inn and the Auctioneer's property, West Bromwich..."
 
The burial MWS referred to for a William states he was 1 day so there would not be likely to have been a baptism.
 
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