Is this in Birmingham?

[Vivienne14]

Just for info. Janice mentioned the Legion of Mary on here - if they too were involved it wasn’t formed until 1921. That would make the postcard later in date. From Wiki:

“The Legion of Mary is an international association of members of the Roman Catholic Church who serve it on a voluntary basis. It was founded in Dublin, as a Roman Catholic Marian Movement by the layman and civil servant Frank Duff”.


And a link to the Legion’s site https://www.legionofmary.ie/about
Viv.

 

[Radiorails]

Just for info. Janice mentioned the Legion of Mary on here - if they too were involved it wasn’t formed until 1921. That would make the postcard later in date. From Wiki:

“The Legion of Mary is an international association of members of the Roman Catholic Church who serve it on a voluntary basis. It was founded in Dublin, as a Roman Catholic Marian Movement by the layman and civil servant Frank Duff”.


And a link to the Legion’s site https://www.legionofmary.ie/about
Viv.

Without getting too involved I just mention that The Legion of Mary is principally an adult body of people.

 

[Radiorails]

Getting back to the scholastic theme, Bill Dargue, on his web site, mentions where schools and churches were in the late 19th. and early 20th. c were.

 

[Pedrocut]

There was a Catholic Women’s League formed in 1906.

 

[Radiorails]

Well we seem to be doing the round of organisations here without much success. We haven't mentioned the Vatican so far!

Regarding adult organisations they are well back in the procession - if they are there in the first place.

 

[RayJones4]

i have this photo of a prossession taken in dolman st which was next to devon st...also very odd but i also have this 1959 photo of devon st but just look at the name on the back of the truck....spooky or just coinsidence

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Interesting. The gradual incline is there too. I post an image of a gradual rising terrace in Burbury Street, Lozells (not that it is there).

The middle houses in the picture stand nearer the pavement, and there seems to be an large entrance between houses. This should show up on a map ?

Is this in Birmingham?

I have had this circa 1912 postcard for some time & I feel the style of building is sometimes found in Birmingham, particularly in Ladywood. It appears to be a Roman Catholic procession, proceeding slightly downhill. The shop window in the middle appears to be that of C. Lee or Clee at No. 120...

birminghamhistory.co.uk

This doesn't answer the question but......Just asked my Dad if he remembers a Catholic procession round the streets (would be much later than the photo but thought we might get an idea). He says he thinks there was one round the streets from St Chad's but can't remember why it took place. He thinks the ones I referred to were just in parishes.

In May 1919 there was a Catholic procession carrying the relics of St. Chad from the Cathedral.

In May 1919 there was a Catholic procession carrying the relics of St. Chad from the Cathedral.

The 1916 route was from St Chads to Central Hall.

 

[pjmburns]

Without getting too involved I just mention that The Legion of Mary is principally and adult body of people.

I did realise that but was looking for wording which might fit and also wondered if the banners were simply used to identify where the children lined up.
I have been behind a men's society banner as a child - it gave us a focal point to follow.
Perhaps we need to focus on where - we still haven't decided for sure if it is Birmingham- or have I missed that?

 

[Vivienne14]

I think the girls are roughly age 12/teenagers and above. There are no very young girls. Can’t stop returning to the sashes they’re wearing. And can’t get it out of my head that the sashes must signify some sort of group identity, theme or event despite parading behind the specific banners. But still none the wiser ! Viv.

 

[Astoness]

yes ray burbury st slight incline as has many streets of brum...i grew up a couple of streets down from there...to be honest i could spend months going through the thousands of old brum streets i have photos of and may never find a match to your original photo...as happens on this forum a lot of us love a mystery..most are solved but as we know some just cant be...so far we have nothing definitive but as we go along trying to solve this we are learning things all the time...my motto has also been never say never ..something may yet turn up oh i still think its a brum photo but yet to be proved either way

lyn

 

[Astoness]

just to compere the original photo with that of charles arthur st nechells...(not that i am saying this is where the original was taken)...look at the design above the upper windows and above the front doors...new brick work above the windows in charles arthur st which could mean that they also once had the ornate arch above them

lyn

 

[Pedrocut]

Given the age of the girls could it be a celebration of Comfirmation?

 

[carolina]

As they are all carrying flowers could it be related to a May Day procession?

 

[brummy-lad]

i am not that certain about photo 2 on post 42 being devon st.... although i could be wrong but looking at this scottish map site i dont think you would get that view of the gas works.. also the right hand side of devon st did not have many houses...most of that side of the st was taken up by the gas works and a school...click on link below..dont forget if you slide the blue dot the maps will fade out to show you what is there now..i am addicted to this site..its a great little tool when researching

Georeferenced Maps viewer - Map images - National Library of Scotland

maps.nls.uk

Lyn, I don't think you should have any doubt that the second picture is Devon Street, it looks to me as though it was taken from near where the red spot is (on the map) with Somerset Street off to the left.

 

[Astoness]

thanks john i couldnt be certain...if anyone has missed post 70 i have posted a brum street pic to compere with the original purely to note the same designs

lyn

 

[RayJones4]

In May 1919 there was a Catholic procession carrying the relics of St. Chad from the Cathedral.

I think the girls are roughly age 12/teenagers and above. There are no very young girls. Can’t stop returning to the sashes they’re wearing. And can’t get it out of my head that the sashes must signify some sort of group identity, theme or event despite parading behind the specific banners. But still none the wiser ! Viv.

I have just found a lengthy report of a Catholic procession that took place in Wigan Whitsun 1913 (photo not Wigan for sure). Each of 5 missions had their own banners & regalia. the banners are individually listed & confirms that that is what we have here. For example: banners of St Aloysius, St Aloysius Guild, girls from school etc etc Most of these processions to seem to be Lancs but also noted Sheffield & London. Have checked several Lancs locations now & the street style never fits like Brum does!

 

[pjmburns]

Given the age of the girls could it be a celebration of Comfirmation?

Could be but still don't understand why no boys. All confirmations I know have both boys and girls. Similar for first communion.

 

[RayJones4]

Given the age of the girls could it be a celebration of Comfirmation?

Catholic Procession of Faiths I would suggest - see my other remarks.

Could be but still don't understand why no boys. All confirmations I know have both boys and girls. Similar for first communion.

Definitely a Catholic Procession - either celebratory or a ‘procession of faiths’. Just found another in Stoke-on-Trent (again different street style to Brum) with similar descriptions.

 

[Vivienne14]

This style of terraced housing can actually be found across the country. You’ll find examples of it in most cities. The one thing that could be slightly helpful could be the brick it was built with. Pity we can’t see the actual colour of the bricks. The bricks in the original photo look very uniform and smooth, although that could be down to the quality of the photo.

Viv.

 

[Astoness]

its a long shot but ive just sent the photo to carl chinn..

lyn

 

[RayJones4]

This style of terraced housing can actually be found across the country. You’ll find examples of it in most cities. The one thing that could be slightly helpful could be the brick it was built with. Pity we can’t see the actual colour of the bricks. The bricks in the original photo look very uniform and smooth, although that could be down to the quality of the photo.

Viv.

I know what you mean but this is quite unusual & corner shops as in the background do not look the same in many places at all. The main area where one would expect such processions - South Lancs - is very different in certain respects.

 

[Pedrocut]

July 1914 the Ransom pilgrimage to Erdington Abbey from Osbourne Road...3- 4000 people.

Led by Father Philip Fletcher.
Please eliminate

[Further info on Fr Fletcher...
“By the 1910s prominent church figures were supporting the cause (Votes for women), including the Archbishops of Birmingham, Glasgow and Liverpool, the Bishop of Northampton, the Dominican Bede Jarrett and the Master of the Guild of Our Lady of Ransom, Fr Philip Fletcher....”]

 

[Astoness]

here are carl chinns thoughts...he is none the wiser than we are at the min

It's a cracking photo, Lyn, and I've studied it in detail looking for clues but can find none - other than the shop on the left is C Lee.
Checking my 1908 Kelly's Directory there was a Charlotte Lee newsagent at 100 Dymoke Street and so I thought this might be the annual St Alban's Church Easter parade in Highgate.
However, the location of this shop doesn't match with that of Charlotte Lee in Dymoke Street so I'm stumped.
best wishes

Carl

 

[mikejee]

There is a relatively new Facebook group I have come across called " Unidentified photos of the British Isles Group " I have joined and am going to put that photo on to see if there are any other suggestions

 

[RayJones4]

There is a relatively new Facebook group I have come across called " Unidentified photos of the British Isles Group " I have joined and am going to put that photo on to see if there are any other suggestions

Mikejee - As you now know I am a member of this group & it is on that group already. Nobody has a clue. I do have new information which will be posted shortly. But thanks for your interest in this intriguing image.

 

[pjmburns]

Has anyone tried sending a copy to the RC archives to see if they can shed any light? Or C of E for that matter.

 

[Astoness]

Has anyone tried sending a copy to the RC archives to see if they can shed any light? Or C of E for that matter.

good idea jan

lyn

 

[Rachelw1959]

here are carl chinns thoughts...he is none the wiser than we are at the min

It's a cracking photo, Lyn, and I've studied it in detail looking for clues but can find none - other than the shop on the left is C Lee.
Checking my 1908 Kelly's Directory there was a Charlotte Lee newsagent at 100 Dymoke Street and so I thought this might be the annual St Alban's Church Easter parade in Highgate.
However, the location of this shop doesn't match with that of Charlotte Lee in Dymoke Street so I'm stumped.
best wishes

Carl

My Watersons were newsagents at 100 Dymoke Street on the 1881 census

 

[RayJones4]

My Watersons were newsagents at 100 Dymoke Street on the 1881 census

Interesting but the image is definitely around the 1912 period.

 

[Rachelw1959]

Interesting but the image is definitely around the 1912 period.

Still there on the 91 census

 

[Janet Hunt]

Found these images on a Manchester site they are described as Whit walks . Late 1800's early 1900's in an article it said that if Sunday schools were organising the Parade, children often made up a large majority of the procession. It was also not unusual for the young girls to lead or be at the front of the parade, followed by other groups in the surrounding area.
I suspect the original image was a similar parade although I have no idea of the location. There is also an early whit walk recording set in Manchester on Youtube pathe news.