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Bond Street Baptist Chapel/Meeting House

Margie Edmonds said:
Firstly, just want to thank everybody who responded to my question. This was my first ever post, and I am overwhelmed by how helpful you have all been! It's 2am here now so I will spend some time digesting all of this information tomorrow night.
My ancestor was the Rev. John Edmonds, and the Rev. Edward Edmonds was his brother. Another brother, Thomas, was also a Reverend. They were all part of the Canon St Baptists, but there seems to have been a break-away group at Bond St. I do have records indicating burials at both church yards.
Thank you all again and I will get back on here tomorrow night.
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Was there a George Edmonds involved in the family ?

In 1806 there is a Mr Edmonds teaching in the free school at Calcutta.
 
Margie, further to Pedrocut’s post above, if you’ve not already seen it, there’s a very long obituary about George Edmonds (political reformer and son of Rev John Edmonds of Bond St Chapel) in the Birmingham Daily Post dated 4 July 1868. A very respected man. A snippet is attached. Viv
 

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Hello again everybody, and once again thank you all. Firstly, George Whitfield Edmonds was a son of Rev. Edward Edmonds. So a 1st cousin several times removed. I was not aware that Rev. John Edmonds had done missionary work in India! I will have to research this further. John's eldest son, Thomas Clarke Edmonds, my ancestor, also had much to do with the Baptist churches in Birmingham. His son Charles Joseph Edmonds was born in Hampshire, so our branch had moved out of Birmingham by his birth.
 
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mikejee said:
There are a few references there concerning talks by a Rev. John Edmonds, around 1820s, who seems to hav eonc ebeen a missionary in India, but no mention of Bond St
There is also (below) mention of Rev, Edward Edmonds at Bons St on the death of his wife in the Birmingham chronicle of 10.8.1820

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This was Sarah Bromfield Edmonds. I have just found the document showing that she, and two of her sons were buried at Bond street. (yay, I' was thinking I must be going bonkers!)
 
Here is a copy of the page from the England & Wales, Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial Registers, 1567-1970, found in Ancestry.
 

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sospiri said:
Yes, there were burials as both baptisms and burials took place according to the records on familysearch.org. What I haven't been able to find out, despite much searching, is what happened to those burials. Warstone Lane would have been a possible depository, but the only people that would know for certain are Birmingham Cemeteries Dept. I expected to find a note on either the Warstone Lane/JQ or BMSGH sites, but zilch. But both Key Hill and Witton are possibles depending upon the actual date of removal.

Maurice :cool:
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Thanks Maurice. I will look up the Birmingham Cemeteries Dept. Hopefully they can help a girl from Aus. I'll let you know here what they say.
 
Vivienne14 said:
Margie, further to Pedrocut’s post above, if you’ve not already seen it, there’s a very long obituary about George Edmonds (political reformer and son of Rev John Edmonds of Bond St Chapel) in the Birmingham Daily Post dated 4 July 1868. A very respected man. A snippet is attached. Viv
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Vivian this is very interesting indeed. I only have 3 sons attributed to Rev. John Edmonds, being Thomas, John, and Isaac. John Jnr seems to have been kicked out of the church, but he had a school, with his brother Isaac and sister Elizabeth, which I have yet to research, but have come across adverts for. I think the article may have got George's parentage wrong, and that this may be George Whitfield Edmonds, who did die in 1868, and was the son of Rev. Edward Edmonds and his second wife, Sarah.
 
Astoness said:
thanks for you reply margie we are always happy to help our members with their family research and this one is very interesting..right on my doorstep and i knew nothing about it...i thought there must be a family connection to the bond st church... if it is possible and because we cant find any burial records for bond st could you scan and post the burial record information for us to see please if not could could give us names and dates of your ancestors buried at bond st...the mystery we have at the moment is what happened to the people buried there..or are they still there...also have you tried looking on the british newspaper archives as there maybe articles written about your ancestors...all the best

lyn
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I too would love to know what happened to the bodies buried there. I have purchased a month of FindMy Past, and am going through the papers. Thanks again.
 
hi margie thanks for the burial record for sarah edmunds...although the writing is not great it looks as though she died on 5th august so that will be 200 years ago tomorrow that is if she died in 1820 as mikes newspaper article suggests.... because looking at the burial record again it looks at though it reads that she died in 1821 but as i said the writing is not great...good luck with trying to find out what happened to the bodies buried at bond st....why i have a feeling that they could still be there i dont know :rolleyes:

lyn
 
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Don’t know how reliable this info is but found this on Midland Ancestors site which (I think) seems to suggest there were burials at Bond Street Chapel from 1784 until at least 1837. So we can be sure the burial ground was still in use until 1837. This just lists known records of course and might not mean it’s all the records.

Viv.
 

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Vivienne14 said:
Don’t know how reliable this info is but found this on Midland Ancestors site which (I think) seems to suggest there were burials at Bond Street Chapel from 1784 until at least 1837. This just lists known records of course and might not mean it’s all the records.

Viv.
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thanks viv...yes pretty sure there were burials as we have written records but i dont think this was a massive graveyard..at first i found it hard to believe there was a burial ground there at all...i still have the feeling that the remains of those buried at bond st could very well still be there unless we can find definate evidence that they were removed which is never easy to find

lyn
 
mikejee said:
Margie
Below is the reference to John's Indian experiences /(assuming it was him)
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This will be interesting to research. Can you remember what year this was posted? I have not seen any references to any other Rev. John Edmonds, but at this point I cant be sure he is the same. They do seem to have moved around a circuit, and the Rev, John who is my ancestor is buried in Guilsborough, having died 5 August 1829.
 
There seems to be a few examples of the Baptist Ministers being referred to as Rev and later in the same context as Mr.
If we take the Mr Edmonds associated with the Free School in Kolkata to be the Rev John referred to in 1806, then he would be in West Bengal at very interesting times.
 
Margie.
If you hover the pointer over the photo, it will show the label , which is Aris. Birm Gazette.3.9.1827
 
Maybe looking at the Proctor Avery etc connection and their occupancy might reveal something. We know the Chapel was still in existence in 1961, having been used by Proctor, Avery etc before that time. I wonder when Proctor etc took it over? Can we find anything in Kelly’s ?

Viv.

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been going down that route myself viv...the chapel was still standing as late as 1970 when proctors of chapel works went into liquidation

lyn
 
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Maybe looking at the Proctor Avery etc connection and their occupancy might reveal something. We know the Chapel was still in existence in 1961, having been used by Proctor, Avery etc before that time. I wonder when Proctor etc took it over? Can we find anything in Kelly’s ?

Viv.

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In post 8 I came across the article from 1924 on the lost churches and chapels. It mentioned Bond Street. If I remember
Proctor took over the premises shortly after 1900 ?
 
Astoness said:
been going down that route myself viv...the chapel was still standing as late as 1970 when proctors of chapel works went into liquidation

lyn
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Lyn, Proctors must have left earlier. There was a forced sale in 1966. Be useful to know who Proctors originally took it over from in c1900 and what land came with it. It was being used by the Methodists until 1890. Would the Chapel have then gone by another name ?

Also was it only the Chapel that was occupied by the Proctors business or were there other buildings that they had on the site too. The sale notice seems to mention just equipment/stock etc. No land sale. Was it rented by Proctors? If so from who ? Viv
 

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Further research. It was taken over by the United Methodists Free Church in 1886 until 1890.

Birmingham Labour Church (later renamed the Birmingham Socialist Church) took it over in 1894 until 1897.

Somewhere in all these takeovers and changing of hands there must have been a mention of a linked burial ground with its location. If only we could turn up some documentation.

And prior to any Baptist burial ground being taken over it had to receive consent from the chapel members and was usually only given if it was to extend its church. Maybe for the school at the rear for example ? See Mikes last map in post #5. Just a thought.

Alternatively, the Baptist burial ground was somewhere else ie burials performed by the Bond Street Chapel but at a burial ground elsewhere. Not all burial grounds were located next to the Chapel. Also a possibility.

Viv.
 
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Lyn, Proctors must have left earlier. There was a forced sale in 1966. Be useful to know who Proctors originally took it over from in c1900 and what land came with it. It was being used by the Methodists until 1890. Would the Chapel have then gone by another name ?

Also was it only the Chapel that was occupied by the Proctors business or were there other buildings that they had on the site too. The sale notice seems to mention just equipment/stock etc. No land sale. Was it rented by Proctors? If so from who ? Viv
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thats odd then viv because after reading this notice from the london gazette i thought they were still there in 1970


Name of Company—PROCTOR, AVERY & WOOD Limited. Address of Registered Office—Chapel Works, Bond Street, Birmingham, 19. Nature of Business—DEALERS in BRASS and METAL GOODS. Court—HIGH COURT OF JUSTICE. No. of Matter—001553 of 1966. Liquidator's Name —John Barry Davis. Liquidator's Address—Lancaster House, 67, Newhall Street, Birmingham, 3. Date of Release—24th June, 1970.
 
Must have taken 4 years for the bankruptcy process Lyn. Don’t think that would have been unusual. But they must have vacated the Chapel in 1966. There’s a reference in the 3rd line which I guess was when the bankruptcy process started. Viv.
 
great minds again viv...i was reading yesterday that although a burial may say bond st chapel it is possible that some burials were performed a distance from the church...just cant get this thought out of my head that there was not actually a burial ground in bond st although evidence says there was:rolleyes:
 
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