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Location wanted for this bus if possible

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I think the 8 did pass this church. I think the route was from Belgrave Road, a short way along Bristol Road and Sun Street and vice versa.
 
I might be stating the obvious but if we could pinpoint the following - which I now look for on any photo of Birmingham I look at since this thread started - we will crack it:
1. There is a bay window (bedroom) showing above the bus shelter with a little window above it (see photo as an example which is at the corner of Icknield Street and Lodge Road).
2. The spire with the 8? pinnacles.
3. The very unusual church?? windows with cascading feature.
4. The bus shelter.
5. The road in the distance appearing to go off to the left.
6. The chimney pots.

The image attached fits 1. and 5. perfectly but none of the others unfortunately. John
 

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brummy-lad said:
Another possible contender Wycliffe Baptist Church or Wycliffe Chapel on the Bristol Road, the tower looks correct. I don't fully understand if they are the same building and the positioning? The map is 1889. An aerial view could help if available. John
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There appears to be no aerial views available for that particular area. It seems that the tower fits but the rest of the building does not. Was this building there between dates 1958 and 1960 when the bus was by the building?
 
oldMohawk said:
There appears to be no aerial views available for that particular area. It seems that the tower fits but the rest of the building does not. Was this building there between dates 1958 and 1960 when the bus was by the building?
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This is the latest map I have 1955-56
 

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My money at the moment is on Wycliffe Baptist Church, I realise we can't see the windows on the crucial side but the part where the tower is appears to be older than the part to the right. There is what appears to be a cascading effect on the front lower window to the right (perhaps they attempted to match the windows of the newer part to those of the older part in St Luke's Road). St Luke's church looks completely different to later images it appears that the bell tower ? was removed at some stage. On the map Sun Street appears to be at the correct orientation to St. Luke's Road. John
 

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brummy-lad said:
My money at the moment is on Wycliffe Baptist Church, I realise we can't see the windows on the crucial side but the part where the tower is appears to be older than the part to the right. There is what appears to be a cascading effect on the front lower window to the right (perhaps they attempted to match the windows of the newer part to those of the older part in St Luke's Road). St Luke's church looks completely different to later images it appears that the bell tower ? was removed at some stage. On the map Sun Street appears to be at the correct orientation to St. Luke's Road. John
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Following up your lead, I've marked the map below.
Wycliffe Baptist Church on the corner is set back from the road but the Sunday School next to it is directly on the road.
I've marked the tower with a circle and postioned the bus on St Lukes Road where I think it would have to be for the photographer to get the Sunday School in view and the tower showing over the bus. Sun Street is at angle to St Lukes Street which matches the angled street in the original bus photo. More photos of that junction would be useful.
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oldMohawk said:
Following up your lead, I've marked the map below.
Wycliffe Baptist Church on the corner is set back from the road but the Sunday School next to it is directly on the road.
I've marked the tower with a circle and postioned the bus on St Lukes Road where I think it would have to be for the photographer to get the Sunday School in view and the tower showing over the bus. Sun Street is at angle to St Lukes Street which matches the angled street in the original bus photo. More photos of that junction would be useful.
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I believe the pub on the opposite corner to St Luke was the Sun Inn. With two magnificent Churches opposite I wonder how the landlords coped with the Temperance Movement? If they drove him mad he could pop over to the asylum for Licenced Victuallers.
 
Absolutely delighted. The true location of this bus has caused considerable frustration. Thank you all very much G.
 
oldMohawk said:
Enlargement of part of your pic seems to show graduated height windows and I can see other features which seem to match the original bus location pic ... probably seeing what I want to see but it looks promising ....:)
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oldMohawk said:
Enlargement of part of your pic seems to show graduated height windows and I can see other features which seem to match the original bus location pic ... probably seeing what I want to see but it looks promising ....:)
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Old Mohawk, can I use this picture to show as proof of where the bus was. Thank you for all your efforts G
 
brummy-lad said:
Brilliant picture thanks, I think we have our building as another part of the jig-saw was the chimney pots. John
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Hi brummy-lad,
I think you have definitely found it and we can all relax now ...:grinning:
The matching features I notice shown below ...
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I am sorry to rain on the party but I do not think this Baptist Church, in St. Luke's Road, Edgbaston is the place we are searching for.
It has many similarities, however in Post 1# (the original post) the bus is on the opposite side of the road to the building in question with the spire to its rear and with the roadway to the rear of the bus dropping downhill.

Therefore, if you place the bus on the opposite side of the road to the Baptist Church in St. Luke's Road (the frontage of the church is on Bristol Road) then the spire would be (as per post 1#) to the rear of the vehicle and it would be facing downhill not having just climbed the incline. Bristol Road would also be behind the bus at the junction.
 
For me, leaving aside the architecture, #186 seems to place the bus in a position in St Luke’s Road on the same side as the Church, with the Baptist Church and its steeple on the other side. Bristol Street would be behind the bus, and also the steeple. We would look behind the bus to Sun Street and, as the map, it seems to slant slightly to the left,

The question would then be to the slopes of Sun Street and St Luke’s Road. But I seem to be going round in circles tracing the contours!
 
Spot on oldMohawk (post #196). I too saw the similarities you pointed out. In my opinion the problem has been solved.
P.S. I enjoyed that saga and all the input, any more photos to investigate?
 
Banjo said:
Spot on oldMohawk (post #196). I too saw the similarities you pointed out. In my opinion the problem has been solved.
P.S. I enjoyed that saga and all the input, any more photos to investigate?
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Hi Banjo, here is a mystery we have never solved and probably unsolvable and I have tried as can be seen in it's thread.
https://birminghamhistory.co.uk/for...ody-is-being-transported-in.33243/post-346028
https://birminghamhistory.co.uk/for...ody-is-being-transported-in.33243/post-415027
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As far as I a concerned the bus photo is not solved. However, someone, at a later date, might look at the thread and give their interpretation.
 
If further investigation is needed then we require a picture taken before June 1961, as there maybe argument as to where the spire was positioned.

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The aircraft VW197 first flew in 1949. Was photographed at RAF Odiham 1961, Hannover and Abingdon 1968 and finally at Elmdon in 1970 in a complete condition.
Another photo exists with the aircraft at Elmdon in 1970 and was then scrapped.
The photos in this thread suggest that the photo in post 202 is not VW197. When at Elmdon and when being scrapped there does not appear to be an RAF Crest on the post 370 of the following thread.
https://birminghamhistory.co.uk/forum/index.php?threads/elmdon-airport.23054/page-19
All of which might suggest it is not Birmingham as some have suggested. A pity the lost photo cannot be re-submitted.
 
Spargone said:
Is it possible that the tower belongs to the library but the bus is on the opposite side of the junction, i.e. the building on the left isn't part of the library at all, it is just the perspective that makes them look part of the same complex.
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Spargone we've progressed from Spring Hill the windows do not match up with the original pic
 
oldMohawk said:
It's a church building directly on the road, it's got a tower, it's near Five Ways, but alas not the building we want ...:grinning:
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Nice view of a courtyard in top part of pic.
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OM looking at this pic it looks like it's on the corner of William St , being crossed by Bishopgate St. That corner when I lived there 1955-1969 to my memory was always waste ground . I lived in William St
 
Grea said:
Brummy lad, can I use your picture too, many thanks G
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Grea please feel free to use anything I have posted, the images do not belong to me and as far as I am aware there should be no copyright problems. I'm so pleased we have finally identified this building it was quite a mystery wasn't it? very rewarding to be part of the team working on this. John
 
brummy-lad said:
Grea please feel free to use anything I have posted, the images do not belong to me and as far as I am aware there should be no copyright problems. I'm so pleased we have finally identified this building it was quite a mystery wasn't it? very rewarding to be part of the team working on this. John
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Brummy Lad Have I missed something has The building been identified ?
 
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