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Who won the war?

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Smudger

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I think we Brits are a tad arrogant when it comes to WW2. "We won the war, we beat the Germans" We played a major part in defeating the Germans, But without the Russians & grudgingly the Americans, i reckon the outcome may have been totally diferent. The Yanks had vast quantities of equipment & the Russians had vast quantities of men & their leaders had scant regard for how many men were sacrificed in their effort to defeat the Germans. I`m not sure how many Russians died in WW2 but it was many millions. It was a good result in the end, but did the Germans have to go to war to rule Europe? They`re practically running the place now.

Apologies, this post should have been under the WW2 thread.
 
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Closed for discussion by the admin team. Thought the title of the forum said it all.

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Apologies, this post should have been under the WW2 thread.
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Not sure it should have been posted in the first place I feel but let's await discussion. This is I feel more the sort of discussion for a closed area which we are discussing but not sure how feasible it will be. And it should be said causes additional work for somebody.
 
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Hi Smudger, I have to agree with Bernie on this one, its content does tend to be disrespectful and affects me personally as my Wife is German.
There are hundreds a of forums on the internet dedicated to Military conflicts but this site is prominently about Birmingham History.
There are approx. 12.000 members and the majority are here to browse the sections at will, some are students who use our facilities to help them with their projects.
Your post would not sit well with any foreign students who may view it.
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Jim
 
Just finished watching a WW2 movie on Yankee TV and have to agree, NOT a lot about Brum in the #1 posting. I am often tempted to post things about Colorado photos etc, but have not for this very reason. John Crump OldBrit. Parker. Colorado IN THE USA
 
postie said:
There are hundreds a of forums on the internet dedicated to Military conflicts but this site is prominently about Birmingham History.
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While this is true, it is also worth noting that of 2 dozen sub-boards on this site (blue bands on the main page) a quarter are devoted to Military Conflicts - most (if not all) of which did not happen in Birmingham.
 
While I can find nothing wrong with Smudger's posting, certainly historical facts can hardly cause offence to anybody reading them, I suppose it's right that it's deemed "nothing to do with Brum".
 
Smudger said:
I think we Brits are a tad arrogant when it comes to WW2. "We won the war, we beat the Germans" We played a major part in defeating the Germans, But without the Russians & grudgingly the Americans, i reckon the outcome may have been totally diferent. The Yanks had vast quantities of equipment & the Russians had vast quantities of men & their leaders had scant regard for how many men were sacrificed in their effort to defeat the Germans. I`m not sure how many Russians died in WW2 but it was many millions. It was a good result in the end, but did the Germans have to go to war to rule Europe? They`re practically running the place now.

I said "grudgingly the Americans" because as in WW1 they were late coming to our aid, but that does not mean their contribution was not appreciated (vital) I also said, "the Russian leaders had scant regards" for how many men were sacrificed. This is what i was taught at school. As for the Germans running Europe now, surely they are the major player in Europe (and when it comes to beating us at footie) You`re reading disrespect where there is none, imo. Why do you have boards relating to various subjects, including the two wars if we can`t discuss & offer opinions.
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I differ from you on this one Smudge, my father owed his life to the American 5th Army after being badly wounded at Salerno 1943, so I was brought up to respect and admire the American Military machine, my father always said, "Twice in this Century the American government sent their children to die on our battlefields here in Europe", without their aid (a-bite paid for), this country would not have won such major victories.paul
 
Those boards are, to my mind, mainly aimed at aspects of the wars which affected Birmingham people or the Birmingham area. Obviously other matters will come up and be mentioned, but a thread just aimed at discussion of broad war matters does, to me, seem a little out of place here. O course, Paul has now introduced his father, presumably from Birmingham, so it could be said that the thread does cover Birmingham (if one wanted to be a devil's ((not you Smudger) advocate.
 
Debate of any kind about anything is always considered to be 'argument' here and seemingly frowned upon. Anyway I am sure that there has been enough written and broadcast evidence of all kinds to have educated the populace on this subject by now. I think the 'we won the war' sector has long been mute. The words are only said jokingly or poignantly now I think. In both conflicts the whole Empire and large navy was involved and beating all of that without sole ownership of an 'A' bomb would not have been possible in either conflict; US involvement or not. We had broken their codes.
Maybe the best that the Germans could have achieved would have been a draw, but how that could possibly have been maintained in a stable state is unknown, considering all of the antagonised populations in the overrun lands to hold down. They would never have been at peace. We know all about that situation. The A bomb was the winner perhaps but now there are too many people living. There's always something.
 
ed smith said:
It might be my mindset and insular thinking but with millions killed does anybody really "win" the war
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That was also part of my train of thought Ed when I saw this thread initially.

I think there never are 'winners' just losers and the real losers - because they had to get on with their lives - were those who lost sons, daughters, husbands, wives, fiancees and good friends.
 
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