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odd fellows arms spring hill
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hi katy ..looking at this larger map if you knew the pub was it where mike has marked it out for me in pink..because if you look on the other side of the road to the right is the old college inn which was at number 167 spring hill and college street..this map is dated 1889 so maybe this is the college pub you are thinking about...we think that the odd fellows dissapeared very early 1930s as mike cant find it on the e rolls after 1930..some more digging to be done me thinks
thanks katy..
thanks katy..
katyboo
ladywood lass
hi astoness from the look of the map its on the pposite side of the college pub morefacing western road that would be the junction of heathstreet south i do remember that the land where this pub was situated was once factory space for delta tubes nd a lot to do with metal work and metal spinners
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Pub Historian
Spring Hill is one of the saddest stories in Birmingham's clearance programme. Such a lot of interesting buildings - all gone, replaced only with grass mounds. What a crime. Some of these pubs were still in good nick e.g. the Coach and Horses.
Anyway, in 1906 the Oddfellows' Arms was at No.194-6 and was owned by Rushton's Brewery. The company also owned the adjoining shop and house at Nos.190-2. Thomas Coley was pulling the pints at this point in the history of this beer house.
Incidentally, this road was re-numbered in earlier times. So, when the glass works was up by the bridge the Oddfellows' was Number 98.
Anyway, in 1906 the Oddfellows' Arms was at No.194-6 and was owned by Rushton's Brewery. The company also owned the adjoining shop and house at Nos.190-2. Thomas Coley was pulling the pints at this point in the history of this beer house.
Incidentally, this road was re-numbered in earlier times. So, when the glass works was up by the bridge the Oddfellows' was Number 98.
oh thanks for the insight to this pub midlands pubs...do you know if we are right in thinking that we lost it in the early 30s..if so this will make it a bit harder to find a pic of it..
cheers
lyn
thanks katy...so many pubs all gone now..very sad indeed...i had my eye on the swinging arm pub sign of the birmingham arms for ages but was not brave enough lol..now i notice its gone..the old windmill i have been in quite a few times as it has always been the familys first port of call for wetting the babys head after visiting mom and baby accross at maternity..
lyn
lyn
HIKATY
I KATY Nice to hear from you again ; after all this time i hope you are well;
start from your end walk down dudley rd pasing all th old haunts meaning the pubs ; stick to the dudley rd hospital continue along to you come to
the cannal bridge where you can walk along side the cannal that being clissold passage int clissold street [ yeah ]
well as soon as you walked passed that bridge that used to be phonix works and next to it still on the dudley rd was a start of a batch of old shops
one was a double fronted shop that sold motor bikes may be before your before your time katy any way there was a motor bike shop there it was a dirty red old shop in colour i think at the one time it was owned by a called fred wakelin whom evently went to become a manager for the creswell brothers the owners of and founders ofbristol street motors of bristol street but any way after that shop there was a series of shops and the pavent used to go into abit of a bend as you was walking down and if you can recall the pavent had a series ofbigmetal railings on the pavent because of that litte bend on the pavement
as i say it would have been about a hundred yards from that cannal bridge and the clissold pasage it was a little small pub
it had a little smoke room and a little bar room on the front ofthe streetthe pub its self sort of layed back into the little shops
then there was a couple more shops and one was a second hand shop and the oter sold bits an bob i canot think of the named family whom ran these two shops they was related to fred waklins brother inlaw and they both worked fror the cressswells the girl i dated from that shop of the second and shop was
later married to my ex wife brother her name was mal; we both did not know each other was courting the same girl for awhile but at the end of te day she married him garry wiliams but garry was a player and the marrige brokdown but getting back on track ; this pub was about 400 hundred yards from the colledge arms pub on the corner of colledge rd and at one time i cannot think of the name of the family whom ran it at the time ;but there daughter was a stage dancer in the entertainment world an she on tour at the blackpooll thearters along with the stars appearing was the batchelors
and she was courted by one of them and at one time she came home for the weekend and brought them to th pub ;my mom was there morning cleaner
i am not sure which one it was i think it was the skinny one came through to my mother and he asked would she likea cup of tea ;she was shocked
and excited when she came home that mornining she never washed her face for a week because he kissed her and thats wher that pub was
if you think long and hard you may just picture it in your mind abou the street railing and the dirty brown pub it was
and any consulation ifyou recall the chippie across from the colledge arms as if you were walking back home thats was facing the pub as good as
and that was theodd fellows me and my mates bil wyman and jony dunkley and arpii bird and chrissie price all drank nther along with alot of others from the lee bridge tav' best wshes take care katy ; by the way i popedup to the frying pan two weeks ago and i seen the new polce station ; eh i bet that place
could tell some stories from the old days of the green; i wonder if old inpecter lou brown is still alive or blakey and big ernie rbbo
best wishes astonian ; alan ;;
I KATY Nice to hear from you again ; after all this time i hope you are well;
start from your end walk down dudley rd pasing all th old haunts meaning the pubs ; stick to the dudley rd hospital continue along to you come to
the cannal bridge where you can walk along side the cannal that being clissold passage int clissold street [ yeah ]
well as soon as you walked passed that bridge that used to be phonix works and next to it still on the dudley rd was a start of a batch of old shops
one was a double fronted shop that sold motor bikes may be before your before your time katy any way there was a motor bike shop there it was a dirty red old shop in colour i think at the one time it was owned by a called fred wakelin whom evently went to become a manager for the creswell brothers the owners of and founders ofbristol street motors of bristol street but any way after that shop there was a series of shops and the pavent used to go into abit of a bend as you was walking down and if you can recall the pavent had a series ofbigmetal railings on the pavent because of that litte bend on the pavement
as i say it would have been about a hundred yards from that cannal bridge and the clissold pasage it was a little small pub
it had a little smoke room and a little bar room on the front ofthe streetthe pub its self sort of layed back into the little shops
then there was a couple more shops and one was a second hand shop and the oter sold bits an bob i canot think of the named family whom ran these two shops they was related to fred waklins brother inlaw and they both worked fror the cressswells the girl i dated from that shop of the second and shop was
later married to my ex wife brother her name was mal; we both did not know each other was courting the same girl for awhile but at the end of te day she married him garry wiliams but garry was a player and the marrige brokdown but getting back on track ; this pub was about 400 hundred yards from the colledge arms pub on the corner of colledge rd and at one time i cannot think of the name of the family whom ran it at the time ;but there daughter was a stage dancer in the entertainment world an she on tour at the blackpooll thearters along with the stars appearing was the batchelors
and she was courted by one of them and at one time she came home for the weekend and brought them to th pub ;my mom was there morning cleaner
i am not sure which one it was i think it was the skinny one came through to my mother and he asked would she likea cup of tea ;she was shocked
and excited when she came home that mornining she never washed her face for a week because he kissed her and thats wher that pub was
if you think long and hard you may just picture it in your mind abou the street railing and the dirty brown pub it was
and any consulation ifyou recall the chippie across from the colledge arms as if you were walking back home thats was facing the pub as good as
and that was theodd fellows me and my mates bil wyman and jony dunkley and arpii bird and chrissie price all drank nther along with alot of others from the lee bridge tav' best wshes take care katy ; by the way i popedup to the frying pan two weeks ago and i seen the new polce station ; eh i bet that place
could tell some stories from the old days of the green; i wonder if old inpecter lou brown is still alive or blakey and big ernie rbbo
best wishes astonian ; alan ;;
katyboo
ladywood lass
omg lou brown he rings a bell mate he hated our micky ha ha i vaguely tremember old spring hill on the left by the bridge goin towards town was the big interflora place and the old shops like the army store at the bottom opposite summerhikk hostel used to be the old brittanic warehouse hpe your well i sent you a message to say kell and ron now by me and keith said hi x
hi katy ;;
i can recal those places you have spoken about the old spring hill army and navvy stores and the bamboo cafe virtuay all of the places and shops and most of all the pubs as we where inthem day and night when they used to open at 10 30 in the mornining and open at 5 30 ;at tea time ;
ii seen andy at the frying pan two weks ago he was estatic when he seen me it was twenty years ago since welast met and spoke
he thought i had not changed abit in twenty years but i said i feel like ninty he laughed he told me they are selling up and moving along to the other side of the post office just by the frying pan and said thats wher when i am in brum call in and see him ;
i hope every body is all okay and say hi to keith and i hope he a little bit better than the last ime we spoke
last time we spoke , i will send you a em shortly ;take care alan astonian;
i can recal those places you have spoken about the old spring hill army and navvy stores and the bamboo cafe virtuay all of the places and shops and most of all the pubs as we where inthem day and night when they used to open at 10 30 in the mornining and open at 5 30 ;at tea time ;
ii seen andy at the frying pan two weks ago he was estatic when he seen me it was twenty years ago since welast met and spoke
he thought i had not changed abit in twenty years but i said i feel like ninty he laughed he told me they are selling up and moving along to the other side of the post office just by the frying pan and said thats wher when i am in brum call in and see him ;
i hope every body is all okay and say hi to keith and i hope he a little bit better than the last ime we spoke
last time we spoke , i will send you a em shortly ;take care alan astonian;
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Pub Historian
My records for the Oddfellows' Arms run out at 1931. In Kelly's trade directory for 1940 the property is being used by a joiner. I do not know for certain [and I always like concrete evidence] but it would seem that Benjamin Letts was the last licensee. He was last recorded in 1931. He was from Walsall. His parents kept the Horse and Jockey in Walsall's Green Lane. However he, along with some of his brothers and sisters, later moved to the Crown, a beer house on Stafford Street. He married in 1902 and he and his wife Elizabeth took over the Oddfellows' Arms in the mid-Edwardian period and remained in charge until the early 1930's. Before you ask... no, I do not have a photograph of this pub. Oh I wish! Indeed, I'd love a pic of the pub that was a few doors away towards the bridge - the Dog and Partridge.
well ; check the records for the placeof the pub ; it was there in thelate fiftiesand for the possible 61
and down behind the phonix works which ran along clissold passage therewas a big factory fire hat was burt to the ground andyoucould have seen the flames from as far assunmmer hill ; that pub was still there and operational beleive me we was uiin there its a pity my mother was not alive she knew the lands lords of the day; get a additional records from the ellectrol records for the colledge pub and work the numbers working back towards the hospital ;
from the colledge there was a batch of small shops and i think one was a fred waklin and coming from the clisold passage the first building was the moto bike
shop for sales and repairs it would hav been bout possible 15 doors from there ; astonian ;;
and down behind the phonix works which ran along clissold passage therewas a big factory fire hat was burt to the ground andyoucould have seen the flames from as far assunmmer hill ; that pub was still there and operational beleive me we was uiin there its a pity my mother was not alive she knew the lands lords of the day; get a additional records from the ellectrol records for the colledge pub and work the numbers working back towards the hospital ;
from the colledge there was a batch of small shops and i think one was a fred waklin and coming from the clisold passage the first building was the moto bike
shop for sales and repairs it would hav been bout possible 15 doors from there ; astonian ;;
BordesleyExile
master brummie
Thank you all for applying your minds to the matter of the Odd Fellows. Yes, Phil, I too had difficulty in finding this pub in Kellys but Mike was the successfull detective on this. In the interests of concrete evidence here is the article Lyn found which mentions the Odd Fellows:
yes bordesly
it was where i saidit was on the thread to katy did you not read my dscription ;and to say he wanted concreated evidence
sat in the pub many many times and the added bit aboutconnie marrying the daughter at the pub [ the one batcheoor brothrs ;] so in fact he was dismissingmy info; beleive me my knowledge of pubs is wih out refence maps and bookes to guide me throughnot even a kelly directory
through out brum is widely and and broader through working for the brewery managements of several brewerys i could have also told you od the akis pubs
but that there is quite afew of our forums have instance notice of pubs through disc and reference books
have a nice day every body astonian;
it was where i saidit was on the thread to katy did you not read my dscription ;and to say he wanted concreated evidence
sat in the pub many many times and the added bit aboutconnie marrying the daughter at the pub [ the one batcheoor brothrs ;] so in fact he was dismissingmy info; beleive me my knowledge of pubs is wih out refence maps and bookes to guide me throughnot even a kelly directory
through out brum is widely and and broader through working for the brewery managements of several brewerys i could have also told you od the akis pubs
but that there is quite afew of our forums have instance notice of pubs through disc and reference books
have a nice day every body astonian;
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Pub Historian
Wow. I have only been on the forum again for a couple of days and I seem to agitated folks. Astonian I was not dismissing any info of yours. All I said is that I have not seen records of this pub after 1931. I am adding a trade directory for that side of the street for 1940 and this shows the property being used by a joiner. When you talk of Clissold Passage, I believe you are discussing the other side of the street. If this is the case then the pub you probably drank in was called The Guild which definitely did survive til the period you mention. It was an Ansell's house towards the end.
The building on the site of the Oddfellows seems to have been there still on the c1955 OS map (in red), together with the houses back of it.Nothing is listed for that address in kellys from 1932, which agrees with midlandpubs. Fanny cooper , joiner goes there in 1937 . Leonard cooper (son?) is there in 1956, but by 1962 there is no listing
BordesleyExile
master brummie
Thank you Mike, Astonian & Midland Pubs(MP).
I think there was a simple misunderstanding. I read your post MP as saying that you like to give authority for your own statements & I do so agree. Its different with personal recollections, Astonian. BHF is all the richer for your providing them. Both authority & memories are complementary on BHF.
Thank you for the newer map, Mike, which gives us a more realistic idea as to whether we are likely to find a picture.
I think there was a simple misunderstanding. I read your post MP as saying that you like to give authority for your own statements & I do so agree. Its different with personal recollections, Astonian. BHF is all the richer for your providing them. Both authority & memories are complementary on BHF.
Thank you for the newer map, Mike, which gives us a more realistic idea as to whether we are likely to find a picture.
BordesleyExile
master brummie
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Pub Historian
Summed up perfectly. I do not type up info that cannot be supported by some form of hard evidence. From time-to-time I might add some personal reflections or comments and even conjecture but I always prefix these with a sentence to include "maybe.. perhaps... seemingly... etc."
Like you, I really enjoy the recollections of people like Astonian.