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Boy Scout Suicide Squad.

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Thanks for that, Stitcher. Looks a fairly typical parade in the earliest days. I would argue about the comment that by 1942 the Home Guard was starting to be taken more seriously, though. It had become an effective fighting force far earlier than that. And certainly those involved in it regarded the whole activity with deadly seriousness right from the outset - as well they might as the lives of them and their families depended on it.

Here's a description of the first parade of a local unit - comprising blokes from 15 to 60 - and the days following:

.......And now on a day of early June 1940, we parade (or perhaps "gather" would be a more suitable term) at Little Aston Stables and find our names amongst a list of men who are destined to form a platoon of the L.D.V.

A roll call, more filling up of forms. The Platoon Commander is chosen after a query by the Company Commander : "Any man here with army experience and who has a car?" A few minutes later, an infantry private of the last war takes his first parade. N.C.Os. are created by similar methods. We can take no risks at this stage and all section leaders must have previous Army training.

The Platoon falls in two deep - drill in threes is as yet an unravelled mystery. A very willing bunch of all ages from sixty to fifteen, from all walks of life, and in all sorts of civilian clothes - office and works attire, flannel bags, and gardening dress. One man is carrying his umbrella. A mere handful with previous military experience. A few more particulars required, a division of the Platoon into sections, arrangements for guard duties are made, a spin of a coin for our platoon number, and the Platoon, eventually to be known as No. 5 "B" Company, 32nd (Aldridge) Battalion, South Staffordshire Home Guard, is formed.

Parades start in real earnest. All are keen and are most willing to learn. We all, including the instructors, make many mistakes. We work on musketry, loading and sighting, field work and the parade ground, the duties of sentries, and then more musketry. This active work is a splendid antidote to the sickening thoughts of the time, of Germany and Italy and perhaps Japan against Britain now standing alone. As the old lady said at the height of the London Blitz : "There's one good thing about all this bombing, it takes your mind off the war."

We sadly lack equipment. Six Pl4 rifles for a company 140 strong, and those have to be fetched from and returned, after the parade, to the Aldridge Police Station, three miles away, where they are locked in a police cell for safe keeping. We acquire .303 dummies and clips by private means, we practice loading in all positions and checking aim against an aiming disc, meanwhile bitten to hell by the gnats. We relearn parade-ground stuff, sloping and ordering arms by numbers, an N.C.O. correcting. The first time we do this, after correcting one particularly bad slope in every way possible, the "victim" remarks with considerable heat : "Do you want this *** rifle, sir?" and walks off the parade ground. We never see him again.

We parade with drill in threes, field work, patrols, cover and camouflage, the latter prompted by the thought that a man may live a little longer unseen. We get to know our territory and our O.P., which is now manned at dawn and dusk with a section on duty each night. We construct a strong point amid many divergent views on the subject of siting. We acquire maps and set up a plate with cardinal points of the compass on our O.P. on the Hall roof, but later, observing that the sun is setting in the north, we realise that either a miracle has happened or our orientation is at fault. We make the most of every available minute and arrange parades every night, but as the same men turn up every time we drop to three parades per week and get satisfactory attendances.

We issue a training programme, on 14th June, 1940......​

Chris
 
I think I would have been tempted to claim I was "incapable of free movement" - which is not far from the truth after I've had me tea. But it is hard to imagine those times and I am sure the impeding threat of the Nazi jackboot would focus the mind - I hope we never get tested in such a way.
 
Of course, our home guard and all it's subsidaries were like toytown compared to the French Resistance. Now they were a brave lot, women as well as men, but who knows what may have transpired from our own resistance if we had actually been invaded.
 
As it happens (and thank goodness) they were never put to the test.

It always strikes me that just as the Home Guard was being run down in late 1944 the German Volkssturm was being mobilised. Old men and young boys were expected to defend thier own communities down to the last man, with inadequate weapons and against an opposing force with overwhelming superiority of armour and other equipment. Theirs could easily have been the fate of our own fathers and grandfathers if 1940 or 1941 had turned out differently.

Chris
 
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Thanks, Stitcher, another wonderful first-hand account. This and the earlier one tell us much about those now almost unbelievable days. They should be required reading in schools.

These lads maintained their efforts - and their secrecy - for more than four years of entirely voluntary service. It's quite humbling to think about it.

Chris
 
Yes Chris, I imagine we would be disgusted if we knew or even realised the difference in patriotism between then and now.
stitcher.
 
Hi Stitcher - not sure I agree with such a black and white viewpoint.

I like to think that if there was a similar threat now that most would give of their best in whatever sphere thay could.

Things may be remembered though rosy spectacles but I understand that there were many that could be classed unpatriotic in WWII - conscientious objectors through beliefs, spivs/black marketeers or went AWOL for example, let alone "The Right Club" and Mosleyites https://www.rense.com/ufo6/nazisym.htm to name but a few.
 
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My own view is that not enough people care about this country as they used to. Too many want to get rid of the Royal Family and too many could'nt care less as long as they have a bit of cannabis and or a pint. Of course there would be large numbers who would leap into action if needed but I do not think it would be of the same magnitude as pre 1914 or pre 1940.
to change the subject a little, I have a smallish article on the French resistance. Would this be the thread to put it on??
 
A lovely group photo - shows also that they were more middle aged than very old or too old
 
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A great picture, Pomgolian, and thanks posting it.

I am not too sure how much is known, or has been written about, the Great War home defence organisation. It was of course on nowhere near the scale of the WW2 Home Guard and very much more informal but nevertheless many communities appeared to have a force of men ready to defend their community. It is good to know that Sutton was one of them. I don't think that the term "Home Guard" had at that time been coined for them. They were usually known as "Volunteers" or something similar. But I imagine that the aim and function were the same. (In fact, come to think of it, that is exactly how the WW2 Home Guard members were described at the outset - The Local Defence Volunteers, or LDV - irreverently described as "Look, Duck and Vanish", "Long Dentured Veterans" or "Last Desperate Venture". Churchill soon changed that to "Home Guard", yet another example of his inspiration).

There is an image here of a similar, rather more fearsome looking bunch who were looking after Knowle and Dorridge. It includes my father, my grandfather AND the family dog.

Were you given any further information about the image when you received it, Pomgolian? And it would be good if the odd face could be recognized. I would rather like to include the picture on my HG website, with all due acknowledgement of course - may I ask whether you or the original donor would have any objection to that?

Chris
 
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Chris, To tell you the truth I can't remember who sent me the pic', it's such a long time since it was first sent to me, about 7 years ... the info' that went with the original file got lost when I changed 'puters and files were transfered from one to the other.
I do remember the sender sent it with the question about, did I recognise anyone in it, or anything about the group, I'm sorry to say I don't!
I wouldn't mind if you used it, or if you or anyone else could find out more about the men and the subject of the photo and let us know ... maybe someone on the 1914-18 Great war forum might know something about it.... worth a try!
 
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Thanks very much, Pomgolian. No sooner the word than the deed, here.

It will become Googleable in a few days and it would be great if sooner or later some more information surfaces.

Chris
 
Brilliant Chris, hope someone can throw some light on the photo. It's been tucked away for far to long... Also thanx to Sticther for starting this thread and bring the photo back into my mind.
 
View attachment 64342 View attachment 64338This is another story from a Sunday Nwspaper about an absolute hero. Another one of the extremely brave men who were never in the limelight, but made an enormous contribution towards Britain winning the war. The images below are his daughter, and the hero himself.
 
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Thanks, Stitcher, the courage of such people I find difficult to imagine. Very few nowadays have to expose themselves to such dangers and we either do not know who they are or, if we do, not everyone honours them.

I'm sorry to repeat a posting I have already made elsewhere very recently - it was on a thread about Bishop Vesey's Grammar School, Sutton Coldfield, and some following this thread may not have seen it - but it seems relevant to include it here.

William Hudspith (1912 - 2003) taught French and Geography at BVGS between 1932 and 1946. During the war he was active in Civil Defence and the Home Guard in Sutton. But there was rather more to Bill Hudspith's war than was realised by any of his teaching colleagues at the school or by the several hundred pupils. A remarkable story gradually unfolded in the post-war years and it was summarised within his obituary notice in the Summer 2003 issue of the "Old Veseyan News", the magazine for past pupils.

G.F. writes that Bill Hudspith's first teaching appointment, after graduating from London University, was at Bishop Vesey's.
"....When World War II broke out Bill was not quite twenty-seven. Along with many of the younger masters, he was eager to join up for active service. When he was called up, however, they noted his French degrees and tried him out on some Frenchmen. On these occasions he "became French" and could fool anyone. He was then told to carry on teaching and that, when they needed him, he would be called. His training was quite strenuous and he was pleased to find that he had become a perfect shot, which was an asset when on his many missions working with the French resistance. Sometimes he was dropped by parachute and sometimes by Lysander planes and then picked up by the French and guided to safe houses. Bill always felt sorry for the French people where he and the others operated. It was not always the Germans that you had to fear, but the French collaborators.

On one occasion the objective was to destroy a major German ammunition dump. "The sentries were green, young troops. We just slit their throats and went in and detonated the whole works," Bill said. He felt very sorry for the people in the neighbourhood having to endure this major explosion. On another occasion, he was saved by a young woman who sheltered him in her cottage, at great risk to herself, until the coast was clear. Six weeks later, the Germans shot her. Bill never got over that.

Some years after the war, Bill's exploits were recognized when he had tea with the Queen and, in France, he was awarded the Croix de Guerre and Les Palmes Academique.

When absent from school for training and on missions, his cover was provided by his being in the Home Guard. On his return to school one time, looking much the worse for wear, his fellow French teacher, "Patchy" Watkinson, said, "What DID they do to you on that course?"........"
Bill Hudspith went on to a distinguished career in teaching and spent the latter part of his life in Canada. What a man!

(With grateful acknowledgement to the "Old Veseyan" magazine).​

Chris
 
Hello Chris, your article above is very interesting and how brave to be alone or almost alone in a foreign country in wartime, knowing that capture will mean certain death after or during unthinkable torture. I have a friend in Special Forces and he tells me that these men and women commit these acts of extreme bravery for several reasons. They do, or did it for their families, country, Monarch and a personal feeling of revulsion for the enemy.
 
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