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Another Mystery part 2?

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I hope you don't mind me asking for help again but this one fascinated me. This is another person from outside the city. This is a shortened version of the inscription.

John Dutton late of Tamworth died Sept 10 1857 aged 75. Ann died Nov 14 1864 aged 72.
Francis Howell died June 23 1864 aged 1 year.
Thomas Dutton died Oct 16 1879 aged 42
Ann Isabella Dutton died Feb 16 1901 aged 82

William Howell died Jan 19 1877 aged 51 was interred at Brewood Church also Mary Ann wife of William Howell died June 8 1904 aged 82.

Thanks all Wendy xx:)
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I found this on the Parish of Brewood site, KAYE HILL is how it appears on the site - could be typing error or headstone error

https://www.brewoodchurch.org.uk/churchyardF.htm

Sacred to the memory of WILLIAM HOWELL, son of the late GEORGE HOWELL who departed this life January ?? Aged 51 years. Also MARY ANN HOWELL, his widow who departed this life June 8th Aged 82 years and was interred at the Birmingham General Cemetery, Kaye Hill. Also of their two sons, WILLIAM HENRY HOWELL who died August 5th 1895. Aged 47 years and was interred at Witton Cemetery, and THOMAS HOWELL who died ????? and was interred at ?????
On reverse of stone:- In loving memory of GEORGE HOWELL (of Barnsbury, London N.) who entered into rest on January 4th 1920. Aged 64 years
 
here are some of the family in 1851 living lichfield st. tamworth

john dutton 65 victualler b. stourbridge
ann dutton 55 b. tamworth
william son. 15 pupil teacher ap. b. tamworth
thomas 12 son. b. tamworth
william howell . son-in law 25 clerk of the wolverhampton cattle market b. brewood
mary ann howell. 27 b. tamworth
william h howell 3 b. congleton cheshire
john g howell 4 mths b. tamworth
 
Wow that was quick Polly! The cemetery was at one time named Kaye Hill so it is actually correct and also known as the general cemetery. I am still mystified as to why they are buried at Key Hill maybe religion but it also mentions William Henry Howell buried at Witton. I have just found the family in 1851 in Lichfield Street Tamworth. John is listed as a victualler so I would imagine they are in a pub. Oh it's getting good again!

Thanks Shera we posted together. As usual your info is better thanks.
 
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in 1861 william howell aged 35 and wife mary ann aged 34 are living hurst st. birmingham with their 5 children. william is now a fruiter.
 
I now see it clearer Mary the wife of William Howell was buried in the Dutton family grave at Key Hill. Their sons who I suppose were C of E were buried in other cemeteries one being Witton.
 
Wendy, I didn't know that Key Hill was once called Kaye Hill - and there was me Blaming the typist or the stonemason :rolleyes: When and why did it change?
 
just thought id check ann isobel dutton. in 1891 she is living kings norton.

mary ann howell head. widow. 69 b. tamworth
walter howell son. 31 insurance clerk b. bham
ANN I DUTTON sister. single 72 b. tamworth
 
Thanks Polly now I am on my own turf! The only Red Lion I know is on the Lichfield Road in Hopwas, it is an old pub as well. It would be nice to confirm if this was John Dutton's pub. I suppose there could have been one in Lichfield street. I remember when we moved here in the 70's Tamworth was in the Guinness Book of Records for the most pubs!
 
Shera said:
just thought id check ann isobel dutton. in 1891 she is living kings norton.

mary ann howell head. widow. 69 b. tamworth
walter howell son. 31 insurance clerk b. bham
ANN I DUTTON sister. single 72 b. tamworth
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That's interesting Shera and would explain why Mary Ann is buried at Key Hill but I thought maybe Ann would have been as well especially as she was single.
 
hi wendy, according to your inscription ann isobella dutton was buried at key hill in 1901 aged 82yrs
 
Wendy, the Red Lion, Hopwas is also listed - landlord - William Gadesby
So it was not that pub.
Also just found a list of 'Lost Pubs' of Tamworth and the Red Lion, lichfield Street is on there :( can't find a picture at the moment:(
 
Oh thanks Shera it's a good job you are awake:)! I am off to babysit in a mo so will need a rest tomorrow.:D
 
I know that the Red Lion mentioned with John Dutton is in Tamworth, but showimg how confusion can arise, there is also a Red Lion at Willenhall in Lichfield St shown in the 1845 PO directory. The 1851 Whites Staffs directory shows a Red Lion in Willenhall, but doesn't list the street.
Mike
 
It is interesting to note the entries for William Howell:
1861 Census 82 Hurst St fruiterer
1862 Corporation directory 82 Hurst St , accountant
1867-8 Directories 82 Hurst St, potato dealer
1872 Kellys directory 33 Hope St, potato salesman
1873 Whites directory, 33 Hope St, greengrocer & fruiterer
1876-8 Kellys directory 33 Hope St, potato salesman
1879 Mrs Mary Ann Howell, wholesale fruiterer/

There is no William Howell potato salesman or accountant in the 1858 directory, but there is a William Howell, retail brewer , 177 Broad St- Islington, which is 245 Broad St in later years, and described as a beerhouse.
Mike
 
Thanks Mike I will put all this together. William obviously failed as an accountant and I expect Mary Ann ran the shop. I noticed in 1851 his son William aged 3 was born in Congleton so they moved about a bit.
 
Wendy, there was a Lichfield Street in Birmingham, later to become Corporation Street. In 1845 my g.g. grandfather had a pub The Rose & Crown at 79 and a half, Lichfield Street, and thanks to John Houghton I have a photo of it.
 
Sylvia in the 1851census Shera has posted he is listed at Lichfield Street Tamworth, so I imagine it would have been there.
 
Hello,
I have just stumbled across this site and thread, and thought you may be interested to know that John Dutton of Tamworth is my Great-great-great Grandfather. I had discovered he was the proprietor of the Red Lion in Tamworth and assumed it was at 112 Lichfield Street, where he lived. A big thank you, because until I found your site I had no idea when and where he died, so a huge thank you for the photograph of the family grave in Birmingham. He was born in Stourbridge in 1782. An interesting and hard-working man, John's son John Brown Dutton rose from being pupil at a poor school in Lichfield Street to become Headmaster of Aldenham School. It is heartening to learn that they seemed to be a close-knit family, as evidenced by the family grave including the in-laws, the Howells.
 
Hello and welcome to the forum Julian. I am so pleased this information has helped you. I also have family at Key Hill Cemetery and have had a lot of help with my family graves. This put me on a quest to help others. I take random photo's of headstones and with the help of the good folk here find out more. The cemetery is of great importance to Birmingham as it's the oldest one with many notable Birmingham residents. I am thrilled this has helped you with your family history. I also live in Tamworth so the information was of interest to me as well. The only Red Lion pub I know now, is in fact in Hopwas between Lichfield and Tamworth is this the same pub? It is still there and I could take a photo if you would like one.
 
Thanks Wendy. I visited Tamworth a few years ago with my Father and photographed him outside his Great-great Grandfather John's house at 112 Lichfield Street, assuming it was the site of the Red Lion - quite probably wrongly! If you get the time to photograph the Red Lion in Hopwas that would be great. Meanwhile you've whetted my appetite to find out more. You mention that the children of the Howell's being C of E were buried elsewhere, so does this mean that Key Hill Cemetery was a Catholic cemetery? I will find time to visit the cemetery in the New Year as it looks a fascinating heritage site.
 
Julian, Key Hill was mainly non conformist my family were Baptists. Probably the most well known resident is Joseph Chamberlain who turned down a place at Westminster Abbey to be buried with his family at Key Hill he was a Unitarian. I will check the number of 112 Lichfield Street as pub names changed so often. I have the plot number and section for the grave and will post the details tomorrow. It is a lovely cemetery and seems to captivate all who visit.
 
In 1880 the Red Lion was 23 Lichfield st.,Tamworth. The 1861 directory does not give it a number
Mike
 
I just love posts like this one, it is what the forum is all about. Well done again Wendy, and welcome Julian
 
mikejee said:
In 1880 the Red Lion was 23 Lichfield st.,Tamworth. The 1861 directory does not give it a number
Mike
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Thanks Mike can you tell me the number of The Moat House this was also the workhouse and will help with the location. I will have to take a wallk when I can.

Thanks Di I couldn't agree more.
 
Julian sadly the inscription is not in the book I have so on my next visit I will copy it for you. I have checked the burial index kindly loaned to me by the BMSGH to continue my work here.

The grave is in Section P grave number 380. It states the grave contains 7 people.

John Dutton 1857
Ann Dutton 1864
Francis Howell 1864
Thomas Walter Dutton 1879
Ann Isabella Dutton 1901
Mary Ann Howell 1904
Walter Howell 1934.

I hope this helps Wendy:)

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