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Richard William Turner

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debs_jj

proper brummie kid
Hi new to this and I am having real trouble finding a birth certificate for Richard William Turner.

I have his marriage certificate - married Aug 1907 to Mary Nicholls - both aged 21 and living at 19 and back of 19 Thorpe Street putting his date of birth from Aug 85 to Aug 86.

There are 3 Richard Williams born in 1885 to 1886 but 2 of those would only have been 20 at the time of marriage. The other was born in Edmonton and this could be the one but I have no way of proving it and it doesnt tie in with the census.

Next is to check just Richard Turner but there are not many of those.

Any help or advice gratefully accepted !

:rolleyes:
 
hi thanks for the quick reply

his father is also Richard Turner and his occupation is publican.

(I can find a Richard Turner - beer reseller on the 1901 census living at Wrentham Street- but no Richard Junior living there)
 
havent been able to find them. as you say there are a few but none with correct occupation, etc.

in kellys directory for 1888 there is a richard turner beer retailer at

32 hatchett st.

and in 1908 kellys

richard turner beer retailer 45 wrentham st.

richard turner lord nelson public house 46 skinner lane and 125 pershore st.
 
Debs

None of the following is very useful to you except to help eliminate possibilities’

The Richard Turner at 45 Wrentham St is shown in the directories as a beer retailer, which could mean a pub, but the electoral roll for 1912 (which he is still on) shows it as a dwelling house, and only one person on the roll (him) so I reckon he wasn’t a publican. It isn’t far from Thorpe st though. He has disappeared from Wrentham st between 1913 and 1921.

There are no Richard William Turners on the absent voters list of 1918. and only two Richard turners(and two other Richards with other christain names.)
These are :

1. Richard Turner 168 Wellington road. . T/379200, Pte., M.T., A.S.C.
He shares an address with a James Turner 152589, Pte., 29th Batt. Transport M.G.C
In 1920 the address only has Jems and Rose Agnes Turner on list

2..Richard Turner 24 Turner’s Buildings, Park Road, 1522, Pte., 9th Bn., R.W.R.
(Rather an appropriate address for a Turner !)
24 Turner’s buildings doesn’t seem to exist in 1920 (lower numbers)

Didn’t seem to be any Richard William Turners in 1920 on the rolls
mike
 
hi I really appreciate your help. I will follow up the information you found. Its getting to prove a real headache - my dad and I have been looking at this on and off for 10 years.
Many thanks
 
richard turner senior was a beer seller.

was richard turner junior also a beer seller (on marr cert)??
 
Shera said:
richard turner senior was a beer seller.

was richard turner junior also a beer seller (on marr cert)??
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hi - no Richard Turner junior was a carter on his marriage licence and he is also listed as a coal dealers carter on the birth certificate of his son George Turner born 1910
 
in that case the 1901 census in whitefield place bham

richard w turner 37 manager coal yard b devon
mary a 35 b. barnstaple devon
richard w 12 b cardiff
arthur f s 8 b,. cardiff
lily r 1 b. bham

maybe this is your family and richard senior became a beer seller by 1907

i know richard juniors age is a bit out but sometimes if the husband was younger than the wife he would add a couple of years
 
if that could be the family then here they are in 1891 in cardiff glamorgan

richard turner 27 bricklayers lab. b devon
mary a turner 25 b. barnstaple devon
richard w turner 2 b. cardiff
 
Shera said:
in that case the 1901 census in whitefield place bham

richard w turner 37 manager coal yard b devon
mary a 35 b. barnstaple devon
richard w 12 b cardiff
arthur f s 8 b,. cardiff
lily r 1 b. bham

maybe this is your family and richard senior became a beer seller by 1907

i know richard juniors age is a bit out but sometimes if the husband was younger than the wife he would add a couple of years
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i missed some vital information of this census

also living with the family were
richard turner father widower 63 labourer sewage works b. devon
eliza bennett sister in law marr. 49 b. barnstaple devon
 
the arthur f s turners birth record is

arthur frederick s turner 1891 apr-jun cardiff 11a 363

the only richard william turner i can see for glamorgan is

richard william turner 1885 apr-jun merthyr tydfil 11a 545

i dont know if these are your family but worth checking anyway :):)
 
Shera said:
in that case the 1901 census in whitefield place bham

richard w turner 37 manager coal yard b devon
mary a 35 b. barnstaple devon
richard w 12 b cardiff
arthur f s 8 b,. cardiff
lily r 1 b. bham

maybe this is your family and richard senior became a beer seller by 1907

i know richard juniors age is a bit out but sometimes if the husband was younger than the wife he would add a couple of years
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Hi - thank you for this. It did occur to me that his age on birth certificate could be wrong. I will follow this up. Its really hard trying to prove anything.
 
Shera said:
the arthur f s turners birth record is

arthur frederick s turner 1891 apr-jun cardiff 11a 363

the only richard william turner i can see for glamorgan is

richard william turner 1885 apr-jun merthyr tydfil 11a 545

i dont know if these are your family but worth checking anyway :):)
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I had discounted the Merthy Tydfil one as his age didnt tally with that on marriage certificate but yes this one is worth checking out. Many thanks
 
you can see how ages were often recorded incorrectly though

look at the birth of arthur frederick s turner

it was in 1891 apr-jun yet on the 1901 census he is down as 8

he would have been 9 or 10!
 
Shera said:
the arthur f s turners birth record is

arthur frederick s turner 1891 apr-jun cardiff 11a 363

the only richard william turner i can see for glamorgan is

richard william turner 1885 apr-jun merthyr tydfil 11a 545

i dont know if these are your family but worth checking anyway :):)
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I have checked back through letters my Dad received and Merthy Tydfil council confirmed that Richard William b 1885 - his father was not Richard.
However the Richard in the census age 12 would have been born in 1888 or 1889. Its a very annoying mystery !
 
ahh found another one which looks better

rachel william turner (actually richard william turner on the original)

1886 oct-dec cardiff 11a 317
 
if you find this is the right family here is the marriage of richard senior

richard william turner to mary ann bennett

1883 apr-jun barnstaple 5b 813
 
there are two family trees on ancestry with this family but both are private, you would have to contact them to see if they will help you

they are

marlow marshall roots
maynard tree
 
Shera said:
there are two family trees on ancestry with this family but both are private, you would have to contact them to see if they will help you

they are

marlow marshall roots
maynard tree
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Thank you so much for this. It would be fantastic if we can finally track this guy down and move on.
 
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