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John & Fanny Williams

MWS said:
There's a mention of John Williams' (I think) death in the Bham Mail 1944. Unfortunately it seems to just mention Mrs Williams and family rather than individual names.
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I do remember meeting my ggfather I would have thought I was older than three. But maybe? Any mention of leather trade?
 
MWS said:
If so there is a marriage for a Florence M Williams to a Horace Vickers Sep qtr 1929 Bham S.

On the 1939 register there is a Margaret F Vickers with a dob 3 Oct 1896 living on Main St Garforth with a Horace Vickers. It is a year out but it is one of the more common errors.

pjmburns said:
I saw that marriage and wondered. Horace was a grocery shop owner as well.
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A few coincidences if it isn't her.
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I guess it's worth a marriage certificate to verify your findings! Garforth, Tadcaster that's Leeds way isn't it?
 
devonjim said:
I do remember meeting my ggfather I would have thought I was older than three. But maybe? Any mention of leather trade?
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Doesn't appear to be, just a thank you for sympathy and flowers.

devonjim said:
I guess it's worth a marriage certificate to verify your findings! Garforth, Tadcaster that's Leeds way isn't it?
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Yes, not far from Leeds. I think it's a strong possibility but costs can soon mount up.
 
pjmburns said:
As the marriage is in Birmingham it is a good possibility.
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MWS said:
I have a possible candidate.

I think it's been said that ERs can be a year out, so you may be listed for the year after you've left, which could mean that whatever happened to Florence may have happened in 1929.

If so there is a marriage for a Florence M Williams to a Horace Vickers Sep qtr 1929 Bham S.

On the 1939 register there is a Margaret F Vickers with a dob 3 Oct 1896 living on Main St Garforth with a Horace Vickers. It is a year out but it is one of the more common errors.

There is a death registered for Florence Margaret Vickers Mar qtr 1940 Tadcaster (which includes Garforth) aged listed as 44.

A few coincidences if it isn't her.
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No coincidence!
Marriage certificate shows marriage at St. Johns, Sparkhill September 16th. 1929. Her father my ggfather, John Williams boot maker, witness one of her brothers, Alfred Williams. Groom, Horace Vickers from Selby, Yorks, insurance agent. Worth a mention that the Sparkhill church is shown as in the county of Worcester. Is that a sign that the church is doing it's own thing despite Birmingham having taken over the Yardley part of Worcestershire some eighteen years previously.
Thanks both.
 
pjmburns said:
As the marriage is in Birmingham it is a good possibility.
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MWS said:
Doesn't appear to be, just a thank you for sympathy and flowers.
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Hi, you both helped me enormously with my searches earlier this year could I please ask for a bit more guidance. As dark nights are coming I thought I would try to find WW1 military records of some of my many great uncles, there are a great many of them and I don't even know if they have any such records. I would appreciate a pointer as to which sites are available, inexpensive and easy to use. Thanks in anticipation, Jim.
 
hi jim ancestry hold the ww1 service records...always hit and miss as many records were destroyed during the ww2 bombings but i believe other records are there such as the medal cards and also soldiers last effects and who they went to...i usually subscribe to ancestry for a month at a time these days just picking up research when i feel like it...its £15.99 a month which is not too bad given the records they hold

lyn
 
Ancestry, findmypast and familysearch (and others) have military records of one type or another, though Ancestry have spun some of theirs off to fold3. CWGC for those who were killed and electoral rolls for absent voters can be a great help, knowing an address can lead to other info.

It all depends on what you know. Regiment and number and it's easy but just names can be enough.

Not all service records survive but there are others such as MRICs (medal roll index cards).

If you get stuck or want any help just list the names.
 
MWS said:
There's a mention of John Williams' (I think) death in the Bham Mail 1944. Unfortunately it seems to just mention Mrs Williams and family rather than individual names.
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Just came across this quote from some twelve months ago. I have since "convinced" myself that this probably not my ggfather. There is another death of a John Williams in Birmingham in 1950 age 88 which almost fits his dob of 1864. (Married 1886 age 22). Is this reasonable slippage? By this time I would have been nine and far more likely to have a memory of him.
 
devonjim said:
Just came across this quote from some twelve months ago. I have since "convinced" myself that this probably not my ggfather. There is another death of a John Williams in Birmingham in 1950 age 88 which almost fits his dob of 1864. (Married 1886 age 22). Is this reasonable slippage? By this time I would have been nine and far more likely to have a memory of him.
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Two years wouldn't be too worrying, accuracy improves though as the years pass as you would expect.

The thing against the 1950 death is that Fanny appears to still be at 31 Abbotsford Road in 1945 with son & d in law but no John.
 
I like that precise sort of proof! Very often on "Ancestry" and the like you finish up with what seems a best guess. Thanks both!
 
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