William Ellis (1824-1883) is my gt, gt grandfather. He married Mary Ann Harrington 24 July 1841 at Aston Union Register office. The witnesses were Jane Hawksford and George Thomas. William was a glassmaker of Birmingham and Stourbridge from at least 1841 to 1886.
Susanna Harrington died 26 July 1835 when she was living at Brewery Street, Aston. All of my tree is on Familysearch.org. Start with Susanna's record at https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/L1KH-T5Z
Hello Lyn,
hi jason just going back to your mention of the bapt in 1832 st philips...you said john and susanna bapt their 3 youngest children but i am not so sure... the first 2 children (born 1822 and 1824 are down as children of john and susannah (single woman) but the third child is john b 1832 son of jane harrington (also single woman)
Astoness, you are 100% correct in advising me that I had not got it precisely right. Thank you so much. I started work analysing your response at 9am this morning and I have only just finished. Firstly I had to track down my original hand-written transcript of the St Philip's register from 39 years ago, but I found it! That's a plus for the filing system. Then I revisited all the facts and assumptions I had made in the last 39 years. Some of it gives clarity, but not all and I would like to share with you my latest thoughts on this part of the Harrington Family tree:
Baptism of three children in same day 24 Dec 1832 at St Philip’s, Birmingham | |
The facts | The hypotheses |
| Susanna born 25 Dec 1822 Daughter of John & Susanna Harrington Dartmouth Street, Single woman! (the exclamation mark is in the officiant’s handwriting) | It seems reasonable to assume that Susanna is the child of John and Susanna Harrington, albeit born out of wedlock. If so, it means, their three older children: Henry b1812, Jane b1814, John b1820 were also born out of wedlock. I cannot find a baptism for Henry and Jane (which would be expected in the circumstances), but there is a baptism for John 15 Oct 1820 at Dudley St Thomas. I would love to see a transcript. |
| Mary Ann born 4 Nov 1824 Daughter of John & Susanna Harrington Dartmouth Street, Single woman! (the exclamation mark is in the officiant’s handwriting) | Similar to above. |
| John son of Jane Harrington Single woman of Dartmouth Street Born 11 Oct 1832 | Is this John the son of the above-mentioned Jane Harrington b1814 (and therefore grandson of John and Susanna)? It would be reasonable to assume that she was living at home with her parents in Dartmouth Street and had John (out of wedlock) when she was 18 years old. Jane appears to marry John Cartwright in 1834, which may mean he is the father of John b1832. However, John and Jane Cartwright appear on the censuses of 1841 and 1851 without a son John b1832. Although they appear to have a son John Cartwright b 1847. I suspect that the John b1832 out of wedlock may be the John buried 6 Oct 1846 at St Martin’s and they named their newly born child in his memory. There are many problems with this hypothesis:
CONCLUSION – this doesn’t stack up! |
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Hi Astoness, Thank you for that marriage cert. What a piece of Birmingham history it is with the two addresses quoted. Warstone lane is the home of the famous Pemberton brassmaking family and Ryland Street was almost certainly named after the equally famous Ryland family involved in wire-drawing.
Janice, that is just so kind of you to look this up and reply. Dinner is now in the oven, but I can't wait to investigate.
Janice, dinner can wait, I have started looking now. The marriage cert provided by Astoness definitely appears to name Ellen Faulkner and all the research I did this morning names Ellen. But what you have just kindly provided is Emma Faulkner, not Ellen Faulkner. As you say, the 1861 census shows her as born in Northampton. However, the 1871, 1881, 1891, 1901 and 1911 all show Ellen to be born in Birmingham. This seems to be a rather large leap of faith to assume they are the same person - different forename, different birthplace, even though they do both has Alfred as the father's name. I hate making a conclusion like this without more facts. Any further thoughts?
