Can anyone help please? I have tried to research this villain involved with The Peaky Blinders as an enforcer. I have contacted Carl Chinn who mentioned him in his history on line, but it's only his name - not what he did. Carl didn't reply so I'm hoping someone out there has stories about him. There is a rumour that he was one of the last hanged but no record exists in executions. I was told he was convicted of assaulted and robbing his uncle who was blind! Any help appreciated. Thanks.
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Goldsby Bert The Tyseley Terror
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Thanks for this. Do you know the date and which paper? Cheers.
Further to the help on this, Ray Green has kindly posted the newspaper article about Goldsby and his attempt to gain "compensation" from BCT for the tram "accident" from 1955. This is much later than I thought as family members tell me he just disappeared without trace (no date known). This case must have taken time to get to court as the last tram ran in 1952?
Hanging stopped in the early 60's and there is no record of his hanging in the official records. Raises the question; with his history, record and "friends" could he have been terminated? It's a shot in the dark (sorry) but does anybody have more on him? The family remember after him receiving a sentence he threatened the judge that he would "get him". On release he did and the judge spent time in hospital.
Why is so little known about this Brummie "character"? Thanks for the help; lets get him the notoriety he craved.
Hanging stopped in the early 60's and there is no record of his hanging in the official records. Raises the question; with his history, record and "friends" could he have been terminated? It's a shot in the dark (sorry) but does anybody have more on him? The family remember after him receiving a sentence he threatened the judge that he would "get him". On release he did and the judge spent time in hospital.
Why is so little known about this Brummie "character"? Thanks for the help; lets get him the notoriety he craved.
MWS
from Bham
I think the newspaper report was from 1915. This Albert Henry Goldsby is living at 5 Moseley Terrace on 1921 census and ERs from 1920 to 1935. Death appears to be registered Jun qtr 1939 Bham.
There are quite a few mentions of Albert's son William. And another of his sons, Frank, appears to be in prison 1911.
There are quite a few mentions of Albert's son William. And another of his sons, Frank, appears to be in prison 1911.
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MWS & Mikejee thanks for the futher info. I've contaced BBC Midlands regarding this forotten rogue from Birminghsm's past and Mike Lockley has shown and interest. With Peaky Blinders coming to an end it would make an interesting follow up as there must be other villains from Brum to tell their stories. (No names no pack drill for the more recent ones who could have live relatives?)
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HeathThomas
proper brummie kid
Hello there. The "Tyseley Terror" was William "Bill/Billy" Goldsby and was my grandfather. Carl Chinn talks about him a lot in his latest book, "Peaky Blinders - the aftermath". He wasn't hanged however he did appear in court over 50 times (that's just when he was caught, imagine the real tally?!
HeathThomas
proper brummie kid
Hi there, The Tyseley Terror was my Grandad William (Billy). He was so "active" (putting it VERY mildly) that the family even wanted to change their surname, which I'm glad that they didn't. He has several pages to himself in Carl Chinn's latest book. I was bought up on tales of my Grandad but never met him, he passed before I was born. Most of his children, my mom, aunts and uncles have passed away now and I wonder what they'd have to say about all of this lol. I wish that I could remember more of the tales
HeathThomas
proper brummie kid
HeathThomas
proper brummie kid
Hi there, he was a "character" by all accounts. I remember mom telling me when I was little that when the police came to arrest him (a very normal thing apparently), they'd turn up 7 or 8 handed and wouldn't enter the house. She remembers them calling up to him "come on Billy, you know that you have to come with us" without man handling him - he was too much to deal with. He'd have a shave and take his time and go with them when he was ready. Carl is the best person to talk to about him. Carl interviewed my Uncle Frank (Goldsby) on several occasions too, who would have told Carl loads of stories. Frank was a really interesting man. He was the Coldsteam Guards youngest sergeant major at the age of just 21!!
Many thanks. I'm going to the Old Crown for one of Carl's talks and if I can I'll try and grab a word with him. It's a mystery why there isn't more known about Bert. Maybe Stephen Knight can do a series about him like Peaky Blinders? Would be good to keep Brum in the spotlight.
HeathThomas
proper brummie kid
That would be great (a series). I don't know of a "Bert" but can guarantee that the Tyseley Terror was Bill Goldsby. If you speak to Carl, tell him that you've been chatting with Heath, Bill Goldsby's grandson
William didn't start off very well he was an inmate at the Shawbury Industrial (reform) school age 13 in 1911.
Is this the same William whose record of his prison term for burglary reads
Sentenced on 25th Nov 1930 released 27.July 1932
on his right arm tattoos of Dagger, MAY, and a serpent and on his left forearm BUFFALO BILL.
Is this the same William whose record of his prison term for burglary reads
Sentenced on 25th Nov 1930 released 27.July 1932
on his right arm tattoos of Dagger, MAY, and a serpent and on his left forearm BUFFALO BILL.
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HeathThomas
proper brummie kid
Interestingly, there was an American Goldsby Called "Cherokee Bill Goldsby" who apparently was a real handful
Update on BILL (aka Bert) Goldsby. He died at The General Hospital on 7 December 1945 following an operation for stomach cancer and subsequent peritonitis. Address given 43 Camp Hill and the informant was his wife Mrs M G Goldsby. Anyone got any more info? I have spoken with Carl Chinn and he knows a lot about him and his reputation!
seems a clash of death dates...post 7 says he may have died in 1939 but if you have his death cert then 1945 must be the correct date...sounds a very interesting man leading a very colourful life...
lyn
Thanks for you reply. I have a copy of the death certificate number 409, shows his age as 49. Builders labourer. If anyone has different info it could be a mix up in names/dates? This cert seems to be correct with the address being Camp Hill? Carl Chinn's family lived in the same street as the Goldsbys - Hick Street. Long Gone, but close to the Stratford Road.seems a clash of death dates...post 7 says he may have died in 1939 but if you have his death cert then 1945 must be the correct date...sounds a very interesting man leading a very colourful life...
lyn
Any other info from anyone?
Thanks. There are a couple of others I know interested in finding out more about this villain. I am told one is following up on his offspring to fill out the story. My sources tell me he was disowned by his family?
