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Lloyd

master brummie
Where is this early Birmingham Corporation Daimler parked? What is the building to the right, and (difficult stuff for the anoraks now!) do you know two reasons this view would not be taken a few years later?
 
Is it thev pub by the golf course at the Lickies the one that is inside the park now. The Rose & Crown I think its called.

Phil
 
Don't think it's the Rose and Crown - that has always been set back from the road. It could be the Old Hare and Hounds on the Lickey Road near the old tram terminus.
 
Correct location beatrice, the Hare and Hounds at Rednal it is.
pmc's answer is forgiveable, the Rose and Crown is at or near the city boundary in Rubery.
Any idea on the other question? You're halfway to one answer, beatrice, in your area description!
 
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Sorry Lloyd you've stumped me. Unless its something to do with the loss of the trees to the left as the area was built up or the redesign of that part of the road to take trams down a central reservation.

It certainly doesn't look like that quaint country scene now
 
Okay, I'll cede the point as you recognise "The trams were coming".
The bus service was a feeder to the tramway at Selly Oak, and once the line was extended, there was no need for a feeder bus.
Secondly, these Daimer chassis under Birmingham Corporation's first buses were commandeered by the war department in 1914. The bodies (and registration numbers!) were fitted to new Tilling Stevens chassis in 1915, (the military at that time didn't want that make as it had an electric transmission.)
So, no need for the service, and that bus in later life had a different chassis!
Here's one of the Daimler chassis, now minus it's body, waiting to go off to war.
 
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Lloyd,

Not that it matters now, but I meant the Rose & Crown on Rose Hill now Inside Lickey Park, but at one time used to be a Coaching Inn. I didn't mean the Rose & Crown Bristol Rd South, Rubery. See the photo it looks very similar and allowing for the passing of time I thought it could be the one.

As beatrice has stated I would think this service ceased on the introduction of the tram service.

Phil

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PMC1947 - You and I were both talking about the same Rose and Crown, and I can see why you thought it might be that one. Over the years it has been a Coaching Inn, a private house and is now a hotel again (I think).

Lloyd - I'd never have got you're answer in a million years but was fascinated by it. Another slice of knowledge dished up by this forum.
 
Beatrice

The Rose & Crown started life as a Court House, where highwaymen would be tried and sometimes be sentenced to hang on the Gibb on nearby Lickey Hill.

By the way the name is Phil not PMC1947


Phil
 
And I've learned about the Rose and Crown! Thanks for that, I've never been in that park to see it. Did the road pass closer originally then?
 
Hi Phil
Thanks for telling us about The Rose and Crown originally being a court .I live not far from there and didn't know the history..its great when you learn something like that
 
And I've learned about the Rose and Crown! Thanks for that, I've never been in that park to see it. Did the road pass closer originally then?

Lloyd

As the Rose & Crown is pretty far back from the road, I would imagine it did, but I am unable to say for sure. They used to change horses there before the pull up Rose Hill.

Something else not related to history, unless we count my own. It is the only pub I ever used where the Bitter beer was cheaper than the Mild beer. When I asked the gaffer why, his reply was his mild was so good no one drank the Bitter.

Phil
 
MaggieUK (and anyone else who is interested) there is a great little book Published by Birmingham Public Libraries called "The Story of Rednal" by R.E. Tupling. It may be hard to get hold of, I've had mine for years. It has no ISBN etc.. because it is one of those local history type books. It is only 41 A4 pages. You may find a copy in the library.

It is a good summary of the history of our area from Anglo Saxon times to the 1970s. I'd recommend it to anyone with an interest in Rednal or Lickey

There is a little section on the Rose and Crown. The current building only dates back to 1880 as the man who bought it as a private dwelling (an accountant called Mr Whenham) demolished the original one and built what we have today. It was sold because coaches etc.. were now using the easier route from Longbridge to Lydiate Ash - along "New Road" Rubery. This is why the pub in Rubery is called the "New Rose and Crown" as it took over the role previously done by its namesake.
 
Lloyd

As the Rose & Crown is pretty far back from the road, I would imagine it did, but I am unable to say for sure. They used to change horses there before the pull up Rose Hill.

Something else not related to history, unless we count my own. It is the only pub I ever used where the Bitter beer was cheaper than the Mild beer. When I asked the gaffer why, his reply was his mild was so good no one drank the Bitter.

Phil
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“At the turn of the century, the main form of local transport was horse drawn. You could hire various forms of horse drawn vehicles to carry you around the Hills. Three of Rubery's public houses had stables, including the New Rose & Crown. There were also two blacksmiths.”

A Postcard from the Lickeys
 
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“At the turn of the century, the main form of local transport was horse drawn. You could hire various forms of horse drawn vehicles to carry you around the Hills. Three of Rubery's public houses had stables, including the New Rose & Crown. There were also two blacksmiths.”

A Postcard from the Lickeys
I am pretty certain that Phil was talking about The Rose and Crown, Rednal, not Rose and Crown, Rubery
 

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This appears to be the same pub as the one in the photo as posted above. I cannot see the original post photograph with the vehicle. Maybe the pub is still standing but closed and had lost its charm and character. Also Google Streetview picture captured in 2022 showing it in a sorry state.

https://www.google.com/maps/@52.394...325.46005&pitch=0&thumbfov=100!7i16384!8i8192
 
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