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Astoness

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hi folks...more a bit of fun really but i found this pic fascinating....taken in 1870 my question is what replaced this row of georgian shops which were previously houses....unless you have already seen the pic and read the article it will be fun just having a guess..i do have a pic of what is on the site now....

ps...bet someone gets it pretty quick....lol

lyn
 

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Hi Lyn,

The little voice at the back of my head is saying the Victoria Law Courts in Corporation Street but I am guessing really.

Old Boy
 
Hi Lyn

I know it and the name of the pub. but I will keep it to myself for a while.

Phil
 
well i will go to the foot of our stairs lol...well done old boy it was indeed to become the site of victoria law courts...i really must try harder...you lot are far to clever for me....

phil..just as a matter of interest what is the name of the pub please....

im going away to sulk now...

lyn
 
Lyn

The information with the photo I have which is the same as yours. tells me that it is the Rose & Crown on Lichfield St (Corporation St) shortly before its demolition. It also states that it was between Old Square and Newton St which is shortly above the site of the Victoria Law Courts.

Phil

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Lyn

As a matter of interest I have another photo of a pub on Lichfield St before the demolition The Old Farriers Arms taken c1880. I have no idea of the location of this one other than Lichfield St (Corporation St) Perhaps someone could tell us where it was located.

Phil

CityOldFarriersArmsLichfieldStc1880.jpg
 
Astoness said:
well i will go to the foot of our stairs lol...well done old boy it was indeed to become the site of victoria law courts...i really must try harder...you lot are far to clever for me....

phil..just as a matter of interest what is the name of the pub please....

im going away to sulk now...

lyn
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Don't sulk - i was going to guess at a football pitch!!!! I have no idea why!!!!
Polly
 
lol polly...i really dont seem to post hard enough pics although i have just posted another where is this but i reckon its dead easy....phil thats a wicked pic of the farriers arms pub hope you dont mind if i save it...and yes it would be good to pinpoint the exact spot is was on....

lyn
 
Phil
The 1878 directory lists it as just the Farriers Arms there doesn't seem to be another one in the street). It is at no 123 , which is at least 4 buildings away from old square on the north side . Approx marked in red on map. the rose & Crown is approximately where the blue mark is at no 101
Mike

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thanks polly..that at least give me some encouragement lol...thanks for the map mike...thats brillient...

lyn
 
Mike

Thanks for that, as a matter of interest does it indicate where the Rose & Crown was. Just wondering if the info with the photo was right or if Lyn was correct in the first place.

Phil
 
Phil
The rose & Crown was at no 101. between Newton st and Lancaster st. Have altered map and wording in previous post to include it
Mike
 
Mike

Right then, thanks it seems that Lyn was quite right when she said it was demolished so the Victoria Courts could be built. It just shows as I have always said you cant believe what is printed in some of these photographic history books. They do seem to have a bad habit of getting it wrong.

Phil
 
phil...i look at your pic and mine and still find it hard to imagine that the city centre once looked liked that....amazing....

lyn
 
Lyn

Just a little further down Lichfield Street was The Gullet one of the most notorious parts of Birmingham. This was one of the reasons that it was all demolished to clear out the area. If you type The Gullet into the search box you will find some early writings on this area of Birmingham. It wasn't a nice place to live. Here are a couple of images of The Gullet with the even more notorious Hope & Anchor pub on the corner.

Phil

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thanks phil...great pics and thanks for the link...do you know that way back in my mind i am sure that about a year ago i posted an actual pic of the gullet...the name rings a bell now..sure it was out of one of my old evening mails....could be wrong but tomorrow i will see if i can find it...

lyn
 
crikey...my memory is better than i thought...i was sure i had posted at pic of the gullet last year (june) and here it is....must say i wouldnt like to meet these folk in a dark alley...lol

lyn
 
“I went to the Gullet again -
I find as many openings - dark passages
back courts in this Gullet, as probably there is
in the Gullet of a Shark. In one of these I
entered a house - I saw six females
at card playing, and all of them
almost in a statue of nudity - Oh!
How serious, and how responsible is the work
of a town missionary

Read where this came from plus pictures from ;

https://www.connectinghistories.org.uk/birminghamstories/guides/downloads/migration_stories.pdf

Terry​
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ReadRrrrrrrrr
 
Lyn,

You've actually got a photo there (post No. 20) of undercover operatives for The Salvation Army....
 
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