Waggon & Horses -Moseley Road

[gham]

Forum folk
Any focus on this public house would be much appreciated. My Great Uncle and Aunt-Samuel William Edwards and Florence Edwards, both now deceased-ran it in the 1930s (also my mother, aged 90, worked or lived there).
Phil has posted an excellent photo of the pub on the 'Horse & Jockey' thread, Dec.10th
So, if anyone does have any memories or knowledge of the 'Waggon and Horses', Moseley Road I for one would be very grateful
ps continuing Happy Christmas to all and don't get caught out by slack car parking as I was yesterday attending a Requiem mass in Stratford-upon-Avon! If you think I'm looking for sympathy for including that piec:redface:e of information -you're right!
gham

 

[gham]

Bammot and all
That's great! many many thanks ..there's great excitement when you make such progress. I hope there might be some more pieces of 'information' appear. Samuel Edwards was technically my Great Uncle but was always known to me as 'Grandad' because he'd been something of a father to my mother as my mother's parents both died when she was a teenager. Also his wife 'Floss' (for Florence) was 'Gran' to me.
I hope there's interest in the 'Waggon & Horses' apart from relation to my family history. I love the photo posted of the pub, 'Waggon & Horses' by Phil on the Horse & Jockey, Bordesley Green thread. Sorry I can't add any pictures presently-though my 'Grandad' often used to say-'there's no such word as can't'!
gham

 

[Phil]

gham

Here is an extract from the 1937 Kelly's directory. Other than what I have said on the other thread I cannot be of much further help to you, I can add that I was born in the next street (Vincent St) in 1947 and to what I can remember it has always been a public house and always looked as it does in the photo. I remember spending a memorable Christmas eve afternoon there in 1971 in the smoke room, which was part of the original house.


395 Imms Hy. Howard
here is Haden st
397 Yoxall F. & A. outfitters
413 Waggon & Horses P.H.
Saml. Wm. Edwards
here is BnlsallHtaihrd ...
415 Goldstein R. & A. costumiers
417 Southerton. Alan E.
chemist
419 Dale Mrs. Mary, florist
42 r Strong Geo. confctnr
423 Newton Henry, boot repr
425 Murray's Fruit Stores
here is Vincent st

Phil

 

[horsencart]

Forum folk
Any focus on this public house would be much appreciated. My Great Uncle and Aunt-Samuel William Edwards and Florence Edwards, both now deceased-ran it in the 1930s (also my mother, aged 90, worked or lived there).
Phil has posted an excellent photo of the pub on the 'Horse & Jockey' thread, Dec.10th
So, if anyone does have any memories or knowledge of the 'Waggon and Horses', Moseley Road I for one would be very grateful
ps continuing Happy Christmas to all and don't get caught out by slack car parking as I was yesterday attending a Requiem mass in Stratford-upon-Avon! If you think I'm looking for sympathy for including that piec:redface:e of information -you're right!
gham

Have a look at number 43 he was at the pub for a number of years

 

[mikejee]

From Directories (Kellys 1876 on, corporation 1862, Whites 1873)
Waggon & Horses, 195 Moseley road up to 1892, 413 Moseley road 1896 -1973;
Licenseees;

Doesn’t seem to appear in 1849 Whites directory

1862 E.Pickwell
1873 Geoffrey Greensall
1876 Geoffrey Greensall
1880 Geoffrey Greensall
1884 Geoffrey Greensall
1888 Lawrence Lawrence
1892 Lawrence Lawrence
1896 James Stewart Crawford
1904 Hugh Stanley Moxon
1908 William Evans
1912 Lawrence Augustine Hands
1921 Lawrence Augustine Hands
1932 Howard Gregory
1933 Hy.Jas. Gallent
1940 Malgwyn Thomas Knight
1944 Mrs Ada Knight
1950 William Daniel Jones
1956 Herbert Daniel Jones
1964 -73 Pub listed but no landlord given. (This is common in the later years of Kellys, presumably because landlords changed a lot)

 

[gham]

Thanks for those contributions-Bammo and Mikejee. One entry you sent Bammo shows 'The Wheatsheaf' in Suffolk St.-I did know my 'grandad' was licensee there as well because I vaguely recall when I was about 12 or so he walked me past and mentioned he had once been the licensee there.
There's a strange gap in your listings, Mikejee, for the 'Waggon & Horses' licensees between 1933 and 1940.
I have 1936 and 1937 confirmed for years Samuel William Edwards and wife were licensees at the'Waggon and Horses'.
Phil says he was born in the next street, Vincent Street. By the way Phil I know Birmingham's a :shocked:big place but you seem to have drunk in every pub in your time!
So, does anyone know if the'Waggon & Horses' still stands? Also, the 'Wheatsheaf'-very rural names aren't they for pub names in urban Brum?
I left the Birmingham area when I was 6 so my knowledge of the city is very patchy but I've always been proud to have been Birmingham born

 

[mikejee]

The gap isn't that strange. I listed entries from ones I have. I don't have a directory between those dates. Luckily the space has already been filled, as you point out.
mike

 

[Phil]

gham

The Wagon and Horses went a few years back, but the Castle and Falcon over the road is still open. Although having to suffer the ignominy of a silly name change.

You have got it wrong about me, I didn't drink in all the pubs in Birmingham only the good ones, and I didn't mind traveling to a good pub.

Phil

 

[gham]

Yes-I was only pulling your leg, Phil about drinking in all the pubs in Birmingham-and I'm pleased to learn you are a connoisseur of a good pub. My grandad, Samuel Edwards would have been pleased to hear your comment as he always ran a good pub, I believe, which was probably because he was a 'salt of the earth' man and he had all the old-fashioned virtues-never idle, always interested in everything about the world, often read the bible,and a steadfast husband to 'Floss' his beloved wife of over 50 years.