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Unknown building drawings

mikejee

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Not photographs, and can't be absolutely certain that they were ever built (though i think they were), but came accross these architectural drawings drawings from 1895. the first is labelled House on Lord Bradfords estate , Castle Bromwich, while the others (of the back and front of the same house) are just Sutton Coldfield. anyone recognise them ?
Mike

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Interesting drawings Mike, though not the sort of houses you would find in the areas where I spent my childhood. I note the one in Castle Bromwich was built by the same Architectural firm that built the Dental Hospital that I recently posted Bateman & Bateman. Is 1642 the number on the photo the date that it was build because they must have been going some time if they also built the Dental Hospital in the 1900's.

Phil
 
No Phil. i think the number is just a ref no for the figure in the journal it came from . The date of publication was 1895 so it could have just been built or just going to be built then
Mike
 
Phil, I think that's the number of the illustration in a book or journal. The style of the two buildings is so similar that they must have been designed and/or built in the same decade. The second drawing is dated 1895; and the third shows the same house. If one looks closely at the first drawing, a year can just be made out below the plans; I think it says "March 189?" David
 
Mike

Right, I thought it looked a little modern for the 17th century. There again they could have been a forward looking firm.

Phil
 
They look a bit like one I bought on ebay a couple of years ago. Mine's of The Navigation on Bromford Lane/Tyburn Rd, although the caption says "Eadington"!!!!
I love those drawings.
 
david
I was going to put on the one of the Navigation later,( though mine was labelled "Roadside Inn Bromford, erdington", and the plans are separate, not superimosed at the top). The archtect was Herbert P Buckland, if that is of any interest. It is the same picture, down to the figure in the doorway and the plans to the Inn visible on the wall down to the bottom left of the picture.
Mike
 
Hi Mike
I think the Castle Brom drawing is of Bateman’s Millbrick/ Birnam on the corner of Rectory Lane and the old Chester Road opposite Castle Bromwich Church - Have a look at Google Maps Streetview B36 9DH. Difficult to see behind the high walls and trees unfortunately!
C E Bateman is said to have built the house from the bricks of Castle Bromwich Mill and he lived in one half and his father JJ lived in the other. Both Batemans are buried in the graveyard nearby. There’s another good Bateman house opposite, at one time the Rectory, and another in Kyter Lane, all in different Tudorish styles and all now listed buildings.
Haven't got a photo of Millbrick, but have a look at my Castle Bromwich pictures on Flickr - the former Rectory - https://www.flickr.com/photos/23030729@N07/2989153820/ and https://www.flickr.com/photos/23030729@N07/3009871923/ ,
Kyter Lane - https://www.flickr.com/photos/23030729@N07/3010680970/
Bill
 
Here are two further buildings , listed as in Cannon St and from an 1899 publication, but i don't think they can ever have been built.
The first drawing is described as Cannon St Hotel, Birmingham. I think it was not built. The drawing doesn’t seem to fit either, in that, assuming the long front of the building is in Cannon St, and the place is on a corner, then there is no slope up to the side of the building (as shown in the picture) on any possible road which would fit (Please correct me if I’m wrong)
The second, labelled Manchester Warehouse , Cannon St ,Birmingham could be the same as Manchester Buildings , 13 Cannon St, that is between Cherry & Fore St on the east side of the road. They are only listed (as Manchester buildings) 1892 - 1905 . Over the same period Wallis & Linnel, wholesale clothiers were listed there. In 1890 and 1908 Wallis & Linnel are elsewhere in Cannon St, and Manchester Buildings seem to have disappeared.
It’s a very long time since I’ve been down Cannon St, but I would have thought I would have remembered a building like this in rememborable times

mike

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There were or at least there is one left, big houses, one at Whateley Green, Cas Brom set well back off the road and an other further up the Chester Road opposite the Bradford Arms where the owner of the Castle Cinema lived which is now a housing estate, the first I have no idea of its size or description as it was behind the houses fronting Whateley Green and had a long winding drive with a lodge on Water Orton Road, but the other could be seen from the road, looked similar to the to your drawing.
 
Dear Mike
I'm delighted to have come across your post. We are moving from South Cheshire to Castle Bromwich next month and can confirm that the first view, of the house on Lord Bradford's estate, is of Birnam, 1 Rectory Lane - and also one half of the neighbouring property, number 3, known as Millbrick. The pair were built by Bateman & Bateman as their own semi-detached residences in 1897 - Bateman senior lived in Birnam, and junior in Millbrick. the houses were the first to be built in Rectory Lane as evidenced by the 1902 Ordnance Survey map which shows Rectory Lane with only this pair on it. The houses are interesting for a number of reasons, one being that they are early examples of the trial use of cavity wall insulation. Number 3 contains 18th century panelling from Water Orton church, salvaged by Bateman junior, as well as having mullioned windows and wrought iron window catches. In 1976 the pair were grade II listed.
I'd be very interested to know if the view is from a commercial publication, since I would love to acquire a copy and would be immensely grateful for any information you have.
Best wishes, Mark
 
Mark
Glad you foun the post interesting. I know i got the images from an online archive, which is why the detail is not very good. unfortunately i am not aure which old architectural journal it was. I thought at firdt it might be the builder, which i remember searching for items of interest, but now realise that is much earlier. If i remember then i will post it,you might then be able to obtain a better copy from a library which hilds this old journal
Mike
 
That's brilliant, thanks Mike - you might have guessed that our interest stems from the fact that we hope by the end of next month to be the proud new custodians of Millbrick! We were bowled over by the Arts & Crafts features, and of course the direct link to Bateman is the icing on the cake. We'll certainly search Solihull library once we get settled as they seem to hold a lot of good historical material including the map I mentioned...and we hope to get involved in the various Victorian / history societies more actively once we have something to contribute! Really grateful for your response and I look forward to digging more into the story of the house and the village, happy to share anything we find if it's of interest to the group. Cheers, Mark & Marie
 
It does for me as well, than k you Bill. I lost that bookmark when my computor crashed a year or so ago
Mike
 
Thank you Bill, Bernie and Mike - I'm really chuffed at the response from you all. I do have the image on file, but will check out the website. And I'll certainly pass your regards on to Bob and Doreen, Bill - they have been wonderful throughout and have rapidly become friends, we're honoured to be 'following in their footsteps' and hope to do it justice as they have for many years to come. Like them, we aim to become a true part of the community...cheers all.
 
Bill
they have altered it since I last accessed it. When you search for/ click on a subject a lot of them come up with a description , then, after a pause, the picture comes up. The picture must be on another site but linked to it (like coppermine). the link has probably got damaged. Ohters seem to work OK
 
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