Unable to trace Lime Street, Smethwick

[Dwarfman99]

Hi, I wonder if anyone can assist in identifying where 26 Lime Street, Smethwick (Sandwell/West Bromwich) was or is, please. I just can't find it on any new or old maps and general google searches (closest is Lime Grove currently exists). An ancestor, William Mason appears in the 1901 Census record as living at number 20, Lime Street, Civil parish Smethwick, Ward Sandwell, Parliamentary division Handsworth, County Stafford. Williams' details, born 1842 in Spon Lane, wife Emma plus 10 children. Occ: General Labourer, Iron worker. Any help and links would be appreciated.
Kind regards
Steve

 

[pjmburns]

On the census both Pope Street and Mornington Road are in the same section.
Pope Street still exists. On old maps there is an unamed road going between these 2 roads at the top end of Pope Street. I am wondering if this was known as Lime Street.

 

[brummy-lad]

Kelly's 1908

 

[pjmburns]

Mornington Road joins Downing Street but I can't find Lime Street marked. 1902 map

 

[Astoness]

it could be the unmarked st to the right of mornington road..i guess that could be classed as off downing st..looking at the 1901 census lime st only had 51 houses..

 

[pjmburns]

it could be the unmarked st to the right of mornington road..i guess that could be classed as off downing st..looking at the 1901 census lime st only had 51 houses..

On other maps I think that is William Street West

 

[Astoness]

On other maps I think that is William Street West

in that case i am stumped jan..

 

[Astoness]

going back a few pages on the 1901 before lime st is oak st

lyn

 

[brummy-lad]

Checking Kelly's the only time Lime Street is Mentioned is in 1908.
The entry for Downing Street shows Lime Street is close to Lewisham Road in fact within 7 properties and so I think Lime Street was flattened and replaced by King Street.
Still trying to prove that though.

 

[pjmburns]

I did wonder if it was only there for a short while.

 

[brummy-lad]

No mention of King Street until Kelly's of 1915.

 

[pjmburns]

So it was a cul de sac - no thoroughfare.

 

[brummy-lad]

It doesn't really make sense that on the 1901 census there are numerous properties listed and yet only showing on Kelly's for 1908, having said that if there were no trades in Lime Street I suppose it wouldn't be listed.

Apparently King Street was partially built in 1904.

 

[Astoness]

also noted on the 1901 there was quite a few empty properties so people were moving out ready for demo

lyn

 

[Dwarfman99]

Thanks for your research everyone.
I note the census states "Downing St, west side - No's 7-33 [which exist on later numbered map], Mornington Rd, Pope St, Oak St [which doesn't seem to exist in any maps], Lime St"
So, this suggests Oak St is connected to or close to Mornington St, and similarly Lime St must be connected to or close to Oak St. Definitely within that square block but I can't find any reference.
Does this look like a lost cause?
Thanks, Steve

 

[mikejee]

It has already obvious thet King St and Lime st must be the same road, but as proof , here are excerts from the 1912 and 1915 Kellys



The street is described in different directories as being off either Downing St , or , earlier, Lewisham Road. Presumably where one ended was considered different at different times. However in the summary in the front of the 1912 Kellys it is listed as both

 

[Dwarfman99]

Having re-read your comments, I understand where Lime St is most likely to have been, current King St, off Downing St.
Thank you for your help.

 

[Astoness]

just to add but i would think you already know that william mason married twice and i think had at least 3 possibly 4 children before his second marriage to emma

lyn