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Thomas Ganley c1884

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GNewbold

proper brummie kid
Hello, im looking for ancestry help. I’ve been searching for Thomas Ganley born c1884 my great great grandfather for sometime and have some information but am mostly going around in circles….
parents - James and Ellen (nee Fahey). Married Betsy Sheedy and live in deriend “when he appears”. They had 4 children - 2 died. He also fought in the war so have seen records but may be mixed up with other Thomas Ganley. There are lots of them in this period, and seemingly a few in Deritend.
thomas isn’t in the 1901 census but married Betsy in 1905, they both disappear until he is found at war in 1916. He didn’t die at war, I have seen discharge papers to the family known address.
Betsy and 2 children found in 1921 but no sign of Thomas.
the man is seriously allusive - any help or advice would be very gratefully received
 
pjmburns said:
Is he the Thomas Ganley appearing on crminal regsters which might explain his "disappearance"?
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I have no idea… any tips on how to find out?
my granddad told my mum that when his mum died in 1930 his dad did a runnerback to Ireland. my mum also said she was always told he was a wrong en but nothing else. Apparent from James Ganley saying on one census born in Ireland I have found no concrete evidence of links to Ireland.
maybe you’re right…. It would add up if he was in prison etc…
 
Unfortunately the criminal registers lists crimes and punishments but not addresses.
There seem to be numerous court appearances for a Thomas Ganley and also several press reports - one lists an address in Milk Street.
 
pjmburns said:
Unfortunately the criminal registers lists crimes and punishments but not addresses.
There seem to be numerous court appearances for a Thomas Ganley and also several press reports - one lists an address in Milk Street.
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Perhaps I need to look at the time lines to see if the court appearance match the missing times….
I wish I could go back in Time and see.
from your help I’ve seen a photo for the polic record so I might be able to use the descriptions him from his military I take and see if they match…. Exciting…..
 
Is that possibly him listed as Thomas Gannelly in 1901 a boarder of Henry Sutton on Upper Trinity Street?
 
Also on Ancestry his marriage record to Betsy appears to list his father as Thomas not James? Is that wrong?
 
MWS said:
Also on Ancestry his marriage record to Betsy appears to list his father as Thomas not James? Is that wrong?
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I believe it to be wrong. i have information that indicates James. a Family history i paid helped me with that but at the Moment can’t afford to spend hundreds via this route…
 
MWS said:
Is that possibly him listed as Thomas Gannelly in 1901 a boarder of Henry Sutton on Upper Trinity Street?
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Quite possibly. Upper trinity street is in the area of a few streets the family stick too.
in 1891 his address was 15th 5 house upper trinity street, St bartholomews, Aston, Birmingham
 
When TG was up before the Beak in 1908 he was down as a seaman. Do we know what service he was in during the war ?
 
GNewbold said:
Quite possibly. Upper trinity street is in the area of a few streets the family stick too.
in 1891 his address was 15th 5 house upper trinity street, St bartholomews, Aston, Birmingham
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MWS said:
Is that possibly him listed as Thomas Gannelly in 1901 a boarder of Henry Sutton on Upper Trinity Street?
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he is listed her as a carters lad which would match as he is listed as Carter later in life…
 
Pedrocut said:
When TG was up before the Beak in 1908 he was down as a seaman. Do we know what service he was in during the war ?
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Thats complicated. I have seen his military record posted on Ancetry and have lifted the below however I have been told it’s unlikely to have this many service numbers and may be multiple Thomas ganleys’ . There is also a milk street Thomas Ganley around the same time…. the family historian has quoted me to look at the military records but again i can’t afford it right now.
it’s annoying as he really interests me and although I have other stuff I can work on I keep coming back to him.

Service Number: 5876
2/3/1916
5th Battalion - Royal Warwickshire Regiment
Transferred to 14th Labour Battalion 18/9/16
Medical certificate on enlisting - illiterate (16% of men at this time were)
28 150 days

1919
Service Number: 92754
Labour Corps
17th, 155th Labour company


Service Number: 39857
Devonshire regiment
14th Battalion
 
If you can find the medal rolls then it may show if those numbers applied to the same person.
Men did get different numbers if they changed units after heavy losses in battle.
 
Pedrocut said:
There is another conviction in 1908 of a TG, a seaman aged 22 !

(Actually he was found not guilty at trial)
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There is a Thomas Ganley who appears to be in prison (Winson Green ?) on the 1911 census. He is listed formerly seaman mercantile. His birth is listed as 1888 Derby though that doesn't appear to match any other record.
 
GNewbold said:
Service Number: 5876
2/3/1916
5th Battalion - Royal Warwickshire Regiment
Transferred to 14th Labour Battalion 18/9/16
Medical certificate on enlisting - illiterate (16% of men at this time were)
28 150 days

1919
Service Number: 92754
Labour Corps
17th, 155th Labour company


Service Number: 39857
Devonshire regiment
14th Battalion
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The last two numbers belong to the same man
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The service reord for this person is there with an address in Coventry.
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pjmburns said:
The last two numbers belong to the same man
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The service reord for this person is there with an address in Coventry.
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That discounts my Thomas from those two records then. there are no links to Coventry as far as I can tell within the wider family and this Thomas is younger….
oh the plot thickens.
thank you sooooooo much for all your help on this….
 
I've come across a couple of Coventry possibilities.

There is a Thomas Ganley b1887 Coventry (not of 69 Gosford St) and he was in the Royal Warks and kia in 1917.

However, on the 1911 census there are 2 Thomas Ganleys listed, the one above and one who is listed as born 1889 Coventry. There is no previous trace of him (registration or census). He is listed as married and a brewer's carter.

And on the 1921 census there is a Thomas Ganley listed as b1893 Bham living in Coventry. Again no sign of him previously.

I wonder if the second Thomas on the 1911 census could be him and either deliberately or not his details are incorrect.

On familysearch there is a military record for the Gosford St Thomas Ganley and it gives his age as 35, birthplace as Bham and residence as Coventry.
 
I will go and read the service record - I posted transcript as thought we were looking for a Birmingham link.
However, doesn't link to the first number quoted.
 
Entering 92754 in the Regimental Number box on WWI Service Records gives 5 results I think, one being Thomas Ganley.
 
Thomas Ganley 92754 Labour Corps living at "69 Gosford Street Coventry" also seems to be connected to 69 Meriden Street Digbeth. He could not write as every occasion where a signature is required it just says "his mark".
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His occupation is given as Horse Driver. Next of Kin is brother Charles living at Bordesley Street.
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There is also a letter to a Mrs Ganley at the Meriden Street address saying the records show he was not amrried and his next of kin was his brother.
All these records are on Ancestry - a lot of the writing, especially on letters from Mrs G, is very faded.
One document states "his wife had left him".
There are over 30 pages (some duplicates) - a month subs to Ancestry is less than £15 to read all this record if you think it is the right person/
 
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Probably not of any use but the absent voters list on the Electoral rolls in 1919 for 69 Meriden St gives the absent occupant as James Sheedy. The 1920 roll lists James & Alma Sheedy
 
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