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The Royal George Bradford Street

RobertS

master brummie
I'm looking for any information on a long lost pub at 247 Bradford Street. The Royal George. (Not the one open until recently in Digbeth) My GG Grandfather was the licensee and beer retailer when he died in 1888. His name was James Sheldon. While the pub is mentioned on the 'pub history' sites there is no further information about occupants or the brewery they used. I have also had no luck in finding a photo of the pub or Bradford Steet that includes it. For any relatives out there I have the inquest report on James.

Many thanks
 
Hallo, Robert S
After looking at the 1883 and the 1890 directories, I find it difficult to believe that there were any licensed premises at 247 Bradford Street at the date you mention.
The 1883 directory shows 244 Bradford Street (B'ham Night Refuge & Homes for Destitute & Working Boys) on the north-east corner of the Alcester Street junction and 245 (Mrs Mary Ann Clarke, pawnbroker) on the west side. Then came 246 (Abraham Webley, Metallic bird cage maker) [I didn't know they had metallic birds in those days]. The next entry was for 250 (Mrs Ann Birks, stay & corset maker, with John Simco, cloth sacking maker at the back. This would mean that at that time, nos 247-249 were purely residential.
In the next directory that I have, 1890, 245 is not mentioned (I would guess it was being rebuilt at the time), and 246 opposite was still occupied by Mrs Clarke the pawnbroker, but sharing with Edwin Price, architect (probably upstairs in the old living accommodation). Webley's were still there but making safes by then [the metallic birds must have flown away], but Mrs Amelia Anderson was dressmaking at 248. So 247 was still residential.
In 1883, there was a John Sheldon, engineer at 11 Bradford Street, while in 1890 there was an Ebenezer Sheldon, japanner, at the back of 320 Bradford Street - the only Sheldon in the area. There certainly no Sheldons listed at licensees in Birmingham on either date.
Sorry to cast doubts on your information, but you can't belive everything you read.
Peter
 
Not sure if this is any good... Someone sent me this pic of 'The Shepherds Rest' Bradford St a few years ago....

Lost photo replaced, possibly not the same as original
shepherds rest bradford street - moseley road.jpg


Pom :angel:
 
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Reply Peter Walker

Hello there Peter.

Just going through all the Bradford Street references. Very good detail, also checking other Sheldons against family index. Thanks.

My three sources are

The 1891 census street index backchecked with the entry gives 274 Bradford Street as the Royal George

In 1888 I have the death cert and the full inquest report for James Sheldon, Beer Retailer, both for the above address. While the inquest report is very detailed it only talks about the upstairs living accomodation (along with the shopping bought that day!). (I also have his Will and while reasonably well off he did not appear to own the pub.)

The Birmingham pub history site that names the pub but doesnt give any details. Have emailed for a contact.

My assumption is that the address was a pub in 1888, and it was either re-named or went out of business by the time the Royal George in Digbeth aquired the name.


I can email the census and the inquest report. I would post it on the site but I cant figure out how to post a picture yet!
 
Apology, especially to Peter Walker

Sorry the address on Bradford Street was 274 not 247 hence one of the difficulties. Your information was however very useful as I'm attempting to map it out and track the other Sheldons.
 
Hi RobertS,

Kelly's 1903 Directory, the entry For Bradford Street reads

274 Audley Geo. beer retailer. White Swan PH. John Thomas Ford.

It was located on the north side of Bradford Street at the junction of Birchall St.

Hope this helps.

pmc1947
 
Thanks PMC1947

Thanks for that. If its the White Swan, think you have it!

All I need to do now is check the street numbers havent been monkeyed about with between 1888 and 1903. Great help thanks.
 
More on the Royal George!

Thanks everyone for the 'leg up' on the Royal George. With the help from the forum we can now confirm that The Royal George was on the site of the White Swan in Bradford Street. The pub disappeared when teh new one was built at the turn of the 19th century. We don't know when the pub openned other than it was after 1861.

I have a list of 'landlords' largely culled from the census'. Can anyone fill in any gaps from other sources?

Landlords of the Royal George
274 Bradford Street.


The Royal George was established after 1861

1871 Edmund Lea Head Retail Beer Seller
Ann Lea Wife
Harry Son
Annie Daughter

1881 George Holmes 28 Head Beer Seller
Mary Holmes 62 Widow

1888 James Sheldon 60 Head Retail Beer Seller
Emma Sheldon Wife

1891 Elizabeth Parkridge 45 Head Widow Licencee
Edith May 19 Daughter

Thanks
 
Update: The Royal George Bradford Street

Appears there is an alternative to one pub being built on the site of another. Attached are extracts from the 1880 map and directory and the 1901 version. With thanks to Midland Pubs (Kieron).
 
Just to sort out any confusion - Robert has placed some arrows on the map I sent him but these do not correlate with the info [sorry Robert]. The corner building belonged to Birchall Street which was developed just before this section of Bradford Street [most of the arterial roads leading off the ribbon development of Digbeth and Deritend High Street pre-date the cross section routes]. So, where I wrote Royal George on the map IS where the Royal George was located and NOT the building next door as suggested by the arrow. The tobacconist's shop was next door but NOT on the corner. Hope that finally sorts out the location folks.

Notice too that the original Swan fronted Birchall Street - it is historically a Birchall Street pub. It was when they rebuilt it that the pub faced Bradford Street though the living accommodation is accessed via Birchall Street. Incidentally, it was quite common for a pub to have two addresses should it be on the corner of a street.

As for the Royal George itself.....
The Royal George was a beer house that first opened in the 1830's. It is a popular name for a pub and, in this case, probably commemorated King George IV who died in 1830. Some pubs named after this monarch are also called the Prince Regent.

In the mid-1840's John Phillips was the licensee. He was also a maltster, suggesting that he was producing the beers sold on the premises. Indeed, in the late 1860's Edward Lea was recorded as a retail brewer so it would seem this was for some time a homebrew house.

Born in Birmingham in 1830, Edward Lea kept the Royal George with his Gloucestershire-born wife Ann. George and Mary Holmes were running the pub in the early-mid 1880's. Born in the Shropshire town of Madeley, George Holmes had moved to Birmingham with his parents. Whilst living in Balsall Heath, he was working as a blacksmith. However, whist he was running the Royal George he was also working as a brass bedstead maker. His mother Mary probably looked after the pub when he was at work. Together, they employed Ellen Green as a domestic servant.

In an 1886 ratebook for Aston the Royal George was recorded as a retail beerhouse with brewhouse, cellar and premises. The owner of the property was John Whitehouse. In fact, he owned the block containing Nos.270-5. The annual rent George Holmes paid to John Whitehouse was £25.0s.0d. The rates on the property were 16s.6d. James and Emma Sheldon were running the Royal George in 1888 [see Robert's posting].

John Partridge held the licence briefly but the 1891 census shows that his wife Elizabeth was head of the household and a widow. She lived with her daughter Edith who worked as a boot machinist.

By the end of the 19th century the Royal George had been acquired by Flowers and Sons Ltd. The Stratford brewery attempted to develop a small estate of tied houses in Birmingham; another example being the White Horse Cellars on Constitution Hill. Brummie George Audley was manager of the Royal George at the turn of the 20th century. He kept the beer house with his Stourbridge-born wife Lydia. The Royal George was still documented as a licensed beerhouse in an Aston ratebook compiled in 1911.

Cheers folks
Kieron www.midlandspubs.co.uk
 
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I'm looking for any information on a long lost pub at 247 Bradford Street. The Royal George. (Not the one open until recently in Digbeth) My GG Grandfather was the licensee and beer retailer when he died in 1888. His name was James Sheldon. While the pub is mentioned on the 'pub history' sites there is no further information about occupants or the brewery they used. I have also had no luck in finding a photo of the pub or Bradford Steet that includes it. For any relatives out there I have the inquest report on James.

Many thanks


In 1888 there were two James Sheldon,s
 
Re: More on the Royal George!

.

I have a list of 'landlords' largely culled from the census'. Can anyone fill in any gaps from other sources?

Landlords of the Royal George
274 Bradford Street.



Thanks


There was not a pub there in 1850 but there was one next door
 
Thanks follks for the additional postings on Bradfords Street.

The 1850 directory I already have, but it it makes a wonderful read. A slice of Birmingham in its manufacturing splendour. What activity and diversity. (And location before re numbering)

The 1880 listing of Sheldons includes several family members and a couple I'm still trying to tie in. I know about the other James but cannot find a link with him. The furthest back I can go with certanty is his Father Benjamin 1791-1846 who was a master file maker and gun finisher operating out of Legge Street and living around Dartmouth Street.

The constrast between the 1850 directory and the current photos of Dartmouth Street say alot. I have the usual range of photo's of the Street mostly taken in the 50's and 60's but nothing earlier.

Thanks again
 
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