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The Golden Cup Livery Street
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It was an old pub even by 1881. It’s mentioned in this newspaper clip of 1814. I think the Sixty Pounds Society might have been a benefit society to help less fortunate people and was still going in the 1830s. Viv
Source: British Newspaper Archive
Source: British Newspaper Archive
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Brick Kiln Lane, Erdington
I am researching my wife's ancestors and find from the 1861 census that Sarah Ames, her great great grandmother, lived in Brick Kiln Lane, Erdington at that time. Does anyone know exactly where Brick Kiln (or possibly Brickiln Lane) is or was? I have looked on modern maps and on old maps, the...
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So your ancestor John McHale was landlord until no later than c1883. See the first Newspaper extract below about the ‘drunken’ landlord, Chas Thomas Johnson in 1883 !
A few other snippets of general info attached too. Viv.
This snippet takes the pub date back to at least 1803
A bit of 1860s local colour !
For interest, in 1894 the landlord, W Goodman, was moving on to Stoney Lane. Maybe this was due to redevelopment of Livery Street. (Perhaps demolition of the pub?)
Source: All extracts from British Newspaper Archive
A few other snippets of general info attached too. Viv.
This snippet takes the pub date back to at least 1803
A bit of 1860s local colour !
For interest, in 1894 the landlord, W Goodman, was moving on to Stoney Lane. Maybe this was due to redevelopment of Livery Street. (Perhaps demolition of the pub?)
Source: All extracts from British Newspaper Archive
The 1878 Kellys (which probably refers tom 1877, lists John Halliday as the licensee, whom also was the marine shop dealer (sort of rag & boneman/scrap dealer) next door at no 71. In 1879 it is Frederick John Watkins. In 1880 edition your ancestor (though named as Martin John McHall) is listed. In 1882 edition it is William Scally, in 1883 James Michael Reemey, but in 1884 , 1888 and 1890 it is John Halliday again. a report in the papers also states that John Hallioday was a licensee of the C upin september 1870. I wondered if John Halliday was the owner of the pub . who sometimes licensed it out to others for a period
Mike the Golden Cup was at 70 Livery Street. Do you know if that would have been at the junction with Mary Ann Street ? Viv
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I am getting the impression that Martin John McHale was probably quite a character. For starters he was from Co. Mayo. The first reference I can find is him marrying in Stone, Staffs. He then is the licensee at the Hole in the Wall, 124 High St Stourbridge and he was probably there quite a while before fetching up in B'ham at the Golden Cup and then variously described as a debt collector and a traveller. Most of the time he goes by the name John but in the later years he reverts to Martin.
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