The Fighting Cocks, The Albion Tavern, The Hollies.

[andrewp91]

Hi all,

I would like it if it would be possible for anyone to help me locate, or if their are any photographs (what they might have turned into or might still be standing) the following pubs as my great-great grandmother used to residence at them. Her name was Felicia Annie Corbett and was born 25 August 1852, in Worcester. She married a man called William Thomas Sedgwick (born abt 1847) dated 1880 in Aston. She had two children (As far as I am aware of), one had died when he was 4 years old in 1894 and an elder child called William Sedgwick 1877.

Also any information on any tailoring business will be greatly appreciated at his addresses.

Fact's, Census & Occupation of William T Sedgwick, Felicia Annie Corbett, and child William Sedgwick.

1852 - Birth Certificate provides information that Felicia Annie Corbett was born 25 August in Worcester.
1872 - Directories provide information that William had a business located 196 High Street, Detirend, Birmingham
1877 - Birth records provide information that William Sedgwick was born.
1880 - Marriage records provide information that William Sedgwick and Felicia Annie Corbett was born.
1881 - Cottage, Sheldon (William = Tailor) (Felicia = Tailors Wife) (William Tailors Son)
1888 – Directories provide information that Felicia Annie Sedgwick was located at The Fighting Cocks, 182 High Street, Detirend, Birmingham.
1890 - Newspaper Archives provide information that William lost his tailoring business due to bankruptcy, which was located 196 High St, Detirend, Birmingham
1890 - Birth records provide information that Godfrey Carl Sedgwick was born.
1890 – Directories provide that William Sedgwick was a Tailor at 196 High Street, Detirend, Birmingham and Felicia Sedgwick was a Tobacconist at 196 ½ High Street, Detirend, Birmingham.
1891 - 173 Sherlock Street, Birmingham (William = Tailor) (William = School)
1892 – Directories provide information that Felicia was a tailoress at her home at 173 Sherlock Street, Birmingham.
1894 - Death records provide information that Godfrey Carl Sedgwick had died aged 4.
1896 – Directories provide information that Felicia Sedgwick was located at The Albion Tavern, 104 Liverpool Street, Birmingham.
1897 - Directories provide information that Felicia Sedgwick was located at The Albion Tavern, 104 Liverpool Street, Birmingham.
1899 - Directories provide information that Felicia Sedgwick was located at The Albion Tavern, 104 Liverpool Street, Birmingham.
1899 – Birth records provide information that Ruby Annie Sylvia Jenkins was born. The daughter of William Sedgwick and a servant called Hannah Kate Jenkins.
1899 - Newspaper Articles provide information that William Sedgwick shot a servant whom he was in a relationship with and also got pregnant, She was working at The Albion Tavern, Liverpool Street, Birmingham. He was sentence to 1 years imprisonment, and released in late 1900.
1900 - Directories provide information that Felicia Sedgwick was located at The Albion Tavern, 104 Liverpool Street, Birmingham.
1901 - The Albion Tavern, 104 Liverpool Street, Birmingham. (Felicia = Beer Pub Retailer)
1901 - Yew Tree Lane, Yardley, Birmingham (William = Tailors Cutter) (William = Brewer)
1903 - Death Certificate provides information that Felicia Annie Sedgwick at The Hollies, Yew Tree Lane, Yardley, Birmingham on the 19th February
1903 - Directories Provide information that William Sedgwick? (either father or child William) had a business called The Hollies, Yew Tree Lane, Yardley, Birmingham
1903 - Marriage Certificate mentions that William Sedgwick married a women Rose Jane Cooper at the register office, Birmingham, on the 19 May, living at 6 Lower Leopold Street, Highgate, Birmingham.
1904 - Birth records provide information that William and Rose had their first child William Sedgwick
1906 - Birth records provide information that William and Rose had their second child George Sedgwick who had died at 46 Middlefield House, Britford Close, Kings Heath, Birmingham in 18 February 1969.
1908 - Birth records provide information that William and Rose had their third child Eric Sedgwick who died in 1977.
1911 - Birth records provide information that William and Rose had their fourth child Irene Sedgwick.
1911 - 4 Verona Place Talfourd Street, Birmingham (William = House Painter) claiming he was born in Toronto Canada due to the crime he committed.
1914 - Military Records provide information that William Sedgwick joined at R A E Royal Anglesey R E (S R ), claiming he was from Brisbane Queensland, again due to the crime he committed. He residences at 3 Wroxton Rd Yardley, Birmingham with his children.
1916 - Birth records provide information that William and Rose had their fifth child Harry Sedgwick who died in 1983.
1919 - Birth records provide information that William and Rose had their sixth child Harold Sedgwick.
1920 - Directories records provide information that William and Rose where still living at the property 3 Wroxton Road, Yardley, Birmingham. William took on the middle name Corbett in recognition of his mother.
1949 - Death records provide information that Rose Jane Sedgwick had died.
1956 - Death records provide information that William Sedgwick had died at 56 Priory Road, Hall Green, Birmingham.


Kindest Regards
Andrew

 

[Phil]

Andrew


This photo is of the Albion Tavern on the corner of Liverpool Street and Adderley Street. It looks at this time to be used for some industrial purpose, if you look closely you can see the name. The building is still standing today and in somewhat better condition.

I know of two Fighting Cocks in Birmingham one was on the High Street Deritend the other on Alcester Rd Moseley, which one are you looking for?

As for The Hollies on Yew Tree Lane are you sure it was a licenced premises?

 

[andrewp91]

Thank you very much Phil for this picture, may I ask how you came across this please, and also what date range would this been taken please? Also I am unsure that The Hollies was a licenced premises but only ashamed due to the fact of Felicia being in the beer industry. Would their be any way to find this out do you know.

You are correct as well, it is actually the one on the High Street I am looking for if possible please. Thank you very much for your help!

 

[Phil]

Andrew

The smaller photo is the premises that used to be the Fighting Cocks High St Deritend, this building is also standing today. The larger photo is the Fighting Cocks Moseley, which is still a pub today. If you hover your mouse over the photos it will display the titles.

 

[andrewp91]

Thank you again for the picture, The harder one I cant really make out which part is the fighting cocks as I can only see a takeaway and a place next door that looks like a butchers? May you be able to help me on where to look on the picture please?

I think you might have it confused as the smaller picture looks like to be the one from Moseley, I live not to far away from their and did notice its been around all this time! The history you go past every day and don't realise! Simply Amazing.

Do you know when this picture of the Albion Tavern was taken and also the picture of the fighting cocks (High Street) please, and also how did you come across them?

Thank you Phil

 

[Phil]

Andrew I have no extra information on the photo of the Albion Tavern only that it is one of the photos I have collected in my years of collecting Birmingham photos on the web. Though both of these premises are still standing today and you can get a better view of them on Google Earth Maps.

The entry in the 1903 edition of Kellys Directory just says Sedgwick William Jun, (The Hollies). AS I say it gives no mention of it being a licensed premises.

Perhaps someone else like Mikejee will be able to help with that side of it for you, he's pretty good when you can get him out of the pub these days.

 

[andrewp91]

Haha, Will he most likely see this post do you know or would I have to contact him directly? Thank you for your help today, its more than what I had an hour ago. Its very much appreciated!

 

[Phil]

Andrew

The little bit of information I have with the High Street Fighting Cocks suggests that the left hand side of the building was the pub. The part that if you look on Google is now a tattoo studio.

As I said I don't note where I get my photos from and I just pick them up surfing the web. If I noted where I got them all from it would take forever as I have something in excess of 30,000 now. What annoys me is I still don't have some photos when people ask me for a particular one.

 

[Phil]

Haha, Will he most likely see this post do you know or would I have to contact him directly? Thank you for your help today, its more than what I had an hour ago. Its very much appreciated!

Don't worry Andrew Mike will see this post.

 

[andrewp91]

Thank you for that information, it is very helpful. 30,00 photos of old pubs! Wow!!! I tried googling them but couldn't find anything about them. Must have a lot of patients! Thank you once again

 

[Phil]

Andrew

They are not all pubs, I don't think we had quite that many in Birmingham. They are of Birmingham in general, but pubs do play a big part in the collection.

 

[mikejee]

For 196 High St Deritend from local directories (noting that date is publication date and actual survey is likely to be a year or so earlier). Some you have, but gives extra info:

1872 196 High St Deritend . William Thomas Sedgwick junior, tailor
1873 196 High St Deritend . William Thomas Sedgwick , tailor
1876-82 196 & 196½ High St Deritend . William Sedgwick & Son , tailors
1883-88 196 & 196½ High St Deritend . William Thomas Sedgwick, tailor
1890 196 High St Deritend . William Thomas Sedgwick, tailor
1890 196½ High St Deritend Mrs Felicia Annie Sedgwick, tobacconist.
1892 196 High St Deritend , John Hanman ,dining rooms
1892 196½ High St Deritend, william smith, millinery etc.

According to the 1900, 1903 & 1904 Kellys there is no such street as lower leopold st. (though there is a Leopold st). This may mean nothing, or could be false address.

 

[mikejee]

Have just seen Phils (& other posts) that came while I was researching. Not so many decent pubs to go in nowadays I'm afraid. Will try and look into The Hollies. If Andrew wants to contact me direct I'll IM him my e-mail address if I can Not sure if new members can recieve IMs ?. Will try anyway.
On other point In 1904- 1908 (at least) there is a Thomas Sedgwick at the Freeth Arms , 314 Icknield Port Road. this couldn't be William thomas dropping the william after his conviction , could it. Probably unlikeley

 

[Phil]

What you on about Mike, every time I've ever seen you it was in a pub. Mind you I always had to be forced in there in the first place.

 

[andrewp91]

Have just seen Phils (& other posts) that came while I was researching. Not so many decent pubs to go in nowadays I'm afraid. Will try and look into The Hollies. If Andrew wants to contact me direct I'll IM him my e-mail address if I can Not sure if new members can recieve IMs ?. Will try anyway.
On other point In 1904- 1908 (at least) there is a Thomas Sedgwick at the Freeth Arms , 314 Icknield Port Road. this couldn't be William thomas dropping the william after his conviction , could it. Probably unlikeley

Thanks for looking into The Hollies for me. Kind of confused to what it was then as it appears on both Directories and a death certificate.
Also I have now changed my settings to instant messaging It was not the father William who had the conviction it was the son William who had the conviction, but I cannot find what happened to father William Thomas Sedgwick after 1901.

You also mention about their is no such thing as Lower Leopold street? would it not be just what it would have been called down the lower end of the street? That is what I thought it might have been, this address appears on the marriage certificate.

Thank you for looking for me though, it is very much appericated.

Kind Regards
Andrew

 

[mikejee]

Possibly it was just a local description. That is why i said that it might be nothing.
I have had a look at the Hollies, and am pretty sure it was never a pub, but a large house and would appear to be just that from the c 1890 map below. It very possibly may have been rented to William, as , although William Sherwood junior is listed as occupying it in 1903, in 1904 it is someone called Pugh, but in 1900 and 1908 it is Isaac Sherwood of Isaac Sherwood & Sons, lamp and gas fittings manufacturers of Granville St and in 1899 it was Horace Catell. The house was later named Hollyhurst on a c 1905 map..

 

[mikejee]

In answer to your question in post 5 as to where was the fighting cocks on the picture. it is the one on the left, no 182 . I am not absolutely certain that this is the same building. The pub ceased to exist sometime between 1905 &1908 and I feel that the building in the picture (& below today as a tattoo parlour) could be from about then. Perhaps people better equipped to comment than me could give their opinion. the 1/2500 maps for before and after seem slightly different, but this could be just because of necessity of removing detail differently to alter scale.

 

[andrewp91]

Hi Mike, thank you very much for your help, It is much appreciated, so you believe that The pub was were the tattoo studio stands today and the building above it? That is a very small pub/brewers having in mind the old crown that stands just a few yards away! Might have been just a small thing before going a little bigger with The Albion Tavern then I take it?

Thank you again for the picture of The Hollies, I strongly believe that this could be the reason to why it says The Hollies on the death certificate, to view the map and would I need a subscription for it please as I have never seen anything like that and thought I would need to try and find it out of the national archives or our of Birmingham Library.

Thank you and Kindest Regards
Andrew

 

[mikejee]

The map is from the old maps site at https://www.old-maps.co.uk/index.html. You can view the maps without paying, but need a subscription to enlarge them to their fullest extent. Although I do have a subscription, for your purposes I don't think that would be necessary. I don't think i enlarged the map I put on any more than would be available without subscription. It will take a bit for you to learn to navigate the site however. It is not possible to give any direct link to individual maps , as if you try, then it just comes up as the home page, so you will have to find your own way there.

 

[mikejee]

To add to the above. The building does not look like a pub, which, together with the appearance, is what makes me think it might not be the original building. It was quite a narrow pub. I thought I had put on a map showing it previously, but must have missed it out. therefore it is below (from c1889). You can see that no 182 and the premises to the right do not look like the continuous fascade that isin th epicture. I don't have access to a later map at th esame scale, so cannot compare present time. there should be one in the library, but Ido not live in birmingham